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hello

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and welcome to the show i'm martin

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willis your host and

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we shouldn't by any means have any

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internet

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trouble if you could see behind the

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scenes here i actually

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am in a cabin nearby where i live

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and um i'm using the same internet that

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i normally do but it seems to be working

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fine

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over in this location it's a long story

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i don't need to get into it

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um there is a name for people that have

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a ludite i think that's what i might be

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technical problems

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now and then but uh i hope you are able

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to check out our blog this week

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um charles lear always does a great job

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in various topics and this week is the

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government-funded ufo study in france

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so check that out he also makes a um an

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audio blog

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for the podcast stream as well as

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i put that up on youtube each week so um

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and he does this

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all this hard work of as a labor of love

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he'll be coming out with a book

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in a while um i'll be out actually in

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new mexico

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in september with a friend we're gonna

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go out there and

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actually sit with dave marlar um charles

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lear and uh

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some icons in the ufo world that are

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going to be joining us there

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then that's something to look forward to

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tonight's guest

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is uh we have paul kershon and he has a

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it's called blueprint for interstellar

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travel he's going to be talking a lot

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it's uh it's all very interesting and so

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he's joining us from the west coast

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he'll be on in just a minute and i do

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want to thank everyone that helps out

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with the show

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and anyone can do that over at

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patreon.com that links

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up on our website and uh we and

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we thank every single listener to the

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show it's really grown uh

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quite a bit um it's coming up on the

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10th year anniversary

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i think it's 464 shows this one might be

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but anyway it's been enjoyable all along

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i never get tired of it

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and i really like exploring um ideas and

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guest on we have a lot of

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exceptional guests lined up as well

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ahead so what we're going to have uh

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some really great guests

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uh welcome to the show paul hi

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thank you martin and so paul i got to

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um what uh can you give the um

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you know talk about this subject and

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other subjects like what you're going to

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be discussing tonight

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but what inspired you um to do

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all this work because i know you came

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and you learned from some of the

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stumblings in that book

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yet you got yourself back up again and

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um to share information you're not doing

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any promotionals or anything you just

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can can do something as uh this has a

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foundation and move forward possibly

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so if you would tell us about yourself

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and then and what made you

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decide to do this right so

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i typed in a keyword interstellar travel

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we're probably using in netscape in

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the company's name was unitel and it

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interstellar travel possible or

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something so this really intrigued me

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for um a fellow larry marrer

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and he was the ceo of the company and on

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the ceo of a company

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email interchange i had with larry um

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every day we would email and he would

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often write quite lengthy uh

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emails um you know over 300 words

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kind of this whole story and what led to

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them uh this this team of a fellow named

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michael maher

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michael miller and a fellow larry maher

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to um to develop a company to get

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incorporated to get patents both in the

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u.s and japan

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and to try to build an interstellar

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uh to me this was incredible i mean um

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it was you know even to the present you

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who else is working on you know an

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vehicle to do something like this so um

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has since deceased uh tragically and

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oregon so that you know is the wood

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a person of an extraordinary

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intelligence an extraordinary speed of

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um and it has a great depth of knowledge

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a number of fields so um

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and uh in fact their story

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is that they had witnessed a a ufo

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um it hurt in front of them and then

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that mr um miller uh developed this

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invention so it's really an

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extraordinary story i mean

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this is the thing i feel like they're a

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small communities

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where um you know amazing things are

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people like this yourself

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small communities where incredible

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things are happening and it's very hard

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uh when you're trying to juggle a bunch

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of other things pay the rent

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uh advance your designs etc

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now can you get into deep detail about

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what they have told you about their

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their ufo sighting and and the

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whole download thing that's really

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in that they may want to develop a story

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themselves but um

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flash to call his friends early one

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shape it's it's not like your typical

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again both of these individuals mr maher

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and mr miller are extraordinary people

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who uh were fighting extraordinary odds

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and um you know i wanted to help them

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and and how were they how were they

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received by themselves before you

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you helped them i mean did they actually

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into where they thought they were

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you know it depended it would depend on

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what audience they were speaking to you

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there is sort of like the insiders and

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the outsiders um

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they did speak with some government

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officials in fact

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i don't have all the details of that mr

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did write a book called laser propulsion

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and may still be

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available mr uh moore also wrote another

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called debris um but

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you know i i um

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you know i feel very strongly in the

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whole

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um ufo hypothesis or uap

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hypothesis uh and so that was sort of

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quickly uh established between us and so

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he was willing to share it

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i don't believe he shared that with

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everyone yeah yeah

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so what are your i guess i'll ask you in

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the beginning are your

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thoughts and part of the reason

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that you've got involved in this is are

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you are you thinking that

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um some of the propulsion that people

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uh may be seeing as a ufo

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has uh has a possibility in in some of

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well yes i mean um

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you know i think there's a

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consensus among a lot of people that

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the concept of newtonian

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based physics of a back exhaust system

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of rocket

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is ultimately you know 13th century

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physics we say

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um and uh you know with the initial

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invention of the of uh like gunpowder

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when they

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stuff gunpowder in a bit and a piece of

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bamboo and

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use it as fire rockets to uh attack

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their enemies so that was

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you know this is really ancient uh

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technology but

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you know certainly um in the early 20th

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century the uh quantum physicists

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showed that there's newtonian science

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and and something else

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and you get into um you know all the

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greats of the the

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quantum world of einstein schrodinger

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heisenberg etc and born and so um

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many people in many from many angles uh

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are working on

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you know new systems that are that are

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different

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uh than simply um you know shooting

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kerosene out the back of the of a

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canister

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yeah um i think uh you had a term for it

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um

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i forget reactionary or whatever you

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called it um

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you know the type of pressure yeah back

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and so what is the um i guess

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if you want to attack any part of uh of

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these

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theories um you know i i i know one

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thing you know when it comes to

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quantum uh physics there's so many

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unexplainable things it's kind of like

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you know the between what's a wave and

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are we all you know uh you know the

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particles are we all just

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energy that somehow sticks together or

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you know it's really bizarre

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um spooky stuff

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when it comes to all the quantum physics

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yeah um it is not a trivial field

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it is uh you know i struggle to

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understand stuff i look up stuff

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on wikipedia um i've often

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spoken to people who know quite a lot

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more than myself

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and so um yeah you know there's a lot

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to learn for all of us and uh but it's

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fascinating

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uh you know like like you just mentioned

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how you know is the particles of the

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wave you know what

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you know the mystery of um action at a

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distance you know an entanglement

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um so it's curious and it's where things

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are headed

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um so yeah we

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we all uh you know it's an interesting

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field let me say that

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and and let me just add um that you know

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a couple

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caveats i meant to mention this at the

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beginning so

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i'm a teacher uh that's my bread and

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butter job

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and then i um i'm a writer and i've

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written

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a few books and i have some more books

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in in line to to publish

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and uh i'm not a trained academic

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physicist

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and um also that the ideas that i

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express are um uh

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solely from mr miller and mr marr

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uh and i'm just described that um

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you know i have some art skills some

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graphic skills

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uh it's a painting i'm working on in the

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background

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um every night

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um and uh so you know those are where my

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skills lie

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and and i feel i'm an open-minded person

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yeah open-minded open-mindedness is

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something

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where um that's how people can seem to

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move forward

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you know with about any part of science

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they have to have an open mind to try

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things

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failure all that um and learn from the

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failures and

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accept defeat when needed

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um what is uh what does the term

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quantum tunneling mean i've i've heard

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that term before

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right well that was uh a term created a

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while ago

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um and the idea was that you had

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a a particle in in one place um

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and then um it would go to another place

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although it didn't have enough energy to

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do so

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um it was you know this is the thing

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where there

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they described as like a hill that the

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particle

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didn't have the energy to kind of go

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over the hill

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or you know have enough energy to switch

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from one orbital to another in

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atomic um in quantum terms maybe

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and um and yet it did so so and then

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they found there was a probability that

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it did so i mean it

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not it wouldn't always work and and you

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know

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but some of the time that there was a

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probability that it could go over this

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one side of the hill to another from one

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you know place to another without having

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the energy to do so

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the the tricky thing and for which i get

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scolded when i talk to um you know

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trained scientists

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is this you know very precise use of

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language

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and so um you know the term tunnel is

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just one way to describe something

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um but there's no like sort of actual

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tunnel it's just sort of a way of

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visualizing something um

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[Music]

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you know like that yeah so

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why don't you kind of like explain um

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the thoughts

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on your your your book

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um the blue blue book a blueprint

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for interstellar travel kind of um i i

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i brought in some of your illustrations

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i don't know if there's any you want to

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cue me on

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and i'll pop them up as as we go along

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if you'd like to and um you know for

434
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this is get can get a little tech heavy

435
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so but um i have your book

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and i do appreciate the way you laid it

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out so just about

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anybody or i can easily understand what

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you're trying to say

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and that that that's probably not all

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that easy to explain

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um these strange things in that way

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well thank you yes um i think the first

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thing

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is to is to say that um that the process

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is is not a back exhaust system it's not

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a rocket that's pushed forward

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and that goes uh along with you know

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more modern um propulsion systems that

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use uh

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ions and other systems that

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um you know still have this sort of back

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exhaust propulsion system

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or a solar sail system that sort of um

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where uh photons are pushing a panel and

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the um

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the object is moving that way so this is

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entirely different this is

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you know very much based on quantum

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properties

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um and so um

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[Music]

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you know that that's the first thing

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it's just important to say that

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uh this is also not an alcubierre drive

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uh you know the people who have an

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interest in this field are probably

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familiar with alcubierry

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and there there are many

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uh there are many ideas being you know

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um

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worked on at this time uh and and ours

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is just one of them

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um i want to say uh also before i begin

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i i'm sorry for the long introduction

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but the um

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uh during the process of creating my

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book again i'll show you that

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what it looks like here um

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and uh here we go and so

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i got uh about uh three phd

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you know academically trained scientists

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and i had about two

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um um people with the mechanical and

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electrical engineering

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uh look at the book maybe about three

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people like uh

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with master's degrees and they gave me

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uh various uh you know critiques and and

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some were

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um mildly supportive um

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some were uh questioning it at that time

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and one fellow who did have a phd in

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plasma physics said this could work uh

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so that was a great boost to me and um

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uh unfortunately i've signed an

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agreement with that fellow that i'm not

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allowed to mention his name

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so you know this is another constraint

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of you know

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that kind of a thing but in any case

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i did thereafter publish the book

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and i sent it to the chair of a physics

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department

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an interesting fellow because i later

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found he was associated with

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ttsa um and um

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so uh he said no that this

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this as it stands would not work so

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after that

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i decided to kind of pull back from um

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uh further promoting the book and

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um because you know i didn't want to

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muddy the waters of

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you apology you know it used to be

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ufology now it's you apology

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and so uh i didn't want to make things

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any worse for um

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the field in respect to the field uh

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i've since come back from that opinion

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uh and i'll explain that

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um but i wanted to give you that fir

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that a little bit of intro that

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uh as it stands this book will not help

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you build a

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interstellar spaceship in your backyard

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um

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it is uh it is a foundation and i'll

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talk about that shortly

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so uh sorry for the long intro no no

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so uh i'm going to show you a picture

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that looks like

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like this you have this picture here yes

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i will bring that up

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um let's see uh show that one more time

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if you would

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yeah sure uh yes i have this

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this right here yeah yeah that's right

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yeah yeah so

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uh we say that our probe and again it

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has this um

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you know a teardrop shape uh i don't

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know if you can see that

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but with um a lens divided into three

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parts

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and um the uh probe is aligned at

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a uh actually not we're not ready for

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yeah so yeah you can go on to the next

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uh image actually you had the uh

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right so the probe is aligned so that

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it's facing this

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planet and photons uh

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little particles of light are um

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you know are going to hit the front of

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the

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is uh isolated um

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so now uh that is existing technology

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in fact i i spoke with a harvard lab

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who told me um how they isolate

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individual uh photons so that is

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existing technology

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anyway once a single uh

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photon is isolated so you see there's

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that group there and then we're going to

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just isolate one of them

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and then what happens next is we put

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that

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on the surface of the um

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of the probe now if you can go to the

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next one

571
00:23:51,590 --> 00:23:49,760
um and uh

572
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:51,600
yeah i think that picture worked so

573
00:23:55,590 --> 00:23:53,279
you'll see that there's uh

574
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:55,600
minus signs those are supposed to be

575
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:56,880
minus signs on the

576
00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:59,679
the skin of the probe and then you see

577
00:24:04,950 --> 00:24:01,360
plus signs

578
00:24:08,710 --> 00:24:04,960
uh on what will be an extended beam

579
00:24:11,750 --> 00:24:08,720
a a laser beam of three kind of lasers

580
00:24:15,350 --> 00:24:11,760
um shooting forward again

581
00:24:19,029 --> 00:24:15,360
a a minus on the ship and a plus

582
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,039
in a extended uh what we say

583
00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:21,279
laser extension with a with a possibly

584
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,320
charged

585
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:25,520
positron endpoint uh there's some

586
00:24:30,070 --> 00:24:27,360
technical terms here but

587
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,080
i think you get a sense of that uh you

588
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:33,200
might go on to the next picture of

589
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:36,240
yeah so what is really going on in that

590
00:24:40,870 --> 00:24:37,440
last picture

591
00:24:43,029 --> 00:24:40,880
you saw how that there were um uh

592
00:24:43,990 --> 00:24:43,039
laser beams and they were turning and

593
00:24:47,669 --> 00:24:44,000
they were turning both

594
00:24:51,590 --> 00:24:47,679
individually and as an ensemble

595
00:24:53,510 --> 00:24:51,600
so uh you see individually the uh

596
00:24:55,510 --> 00:24:53,520
there's a green light laser a red light

597
00:24:57,590 --> 00:24:55,520
laser and a blue light laser

598
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,600
uh two of them are going one way one is

599
00:25:01,510 --> 00:24:58,880
going the other way

600
00:25:02,789 --> 00:25:01,520
and the whole ensemble is turning uh so

601
00:25:05,990 --> 00:25:02,799
now you can go back to that

602
00:25:06,789 --> 00:25:06,000
second picture again you talked about

603
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:06,799
this one

604
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:10,080
yeah well yeah that one there so you see

605
00:25:13,510 --> 00:25:10,559
how

606
00:25:14,630 --> 00:25:13,520
you know it's coming out of the uh probe

607
00:25:17,669 --> 00:25:14,640
they're turning

608
00:25:20,870 --> 00:25:17,679
and they're spinning like that and

609
00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:20,880
what we say is that um uh

610
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:24,080
there's a lot going on here there's um

611
00:25:27,990 --> 00:25:27,120
uh a focus because it's a lens it's able

612
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:28,000
to kind of focus

613
00:25:33,909 --> 00:25:31,600
the energy uh and also um

614
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:33,919
because of the properties of the lens we

615
00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,480
can can create these lasers that come to

616
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:41,029
i'm going to go on now i i didn't give

617
00:25:46,149 --> 00:25:42,640
you these uh photos

618
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:46,159
um uh but i gotta briefly show them to

619
00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:46,960
you

620
00:25:51,830 --> 00:25:51,039
uh so the there's something inside the

621
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:51,840
probe that

622
00:25:56,710 --> 00:25:54,880
enables the uh lens to vibrate and

623
00:26:00,149 --> 00:25:56,720
that's creates uh

624
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:00,159
those lasers and then uh let's see

625
00:26:07,510 --> 00:26:03,440
so uh as some

626
00:26:11,350 --> 00:26:07,520
the the lasers are produced they also um

627
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:11,360
there's uh as the lens vibrates it

628
00:26:15,750 --> 00:26:14,159
creates something called phonons you you

629
00:26:17,269 --> 00:26:15,760
may have uh

630
00:26:19,669 --> 00:26:17,279
you know the old record player when the

631
00:26:22,630 --> 00:26:19,679
thing vibrates you're creating phonons

632
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:22,640
and then um we're gonna go on a little

633
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:23,679
bit

634
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,590
this point uh

635
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,799
there's a positive um positively charged

636
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,200
point at the other end of this um

637
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,960
these three laser beams that are focused

638
00:26:44,070 --> 00:26:40,880
on this point so

639
00:26:45,590 --> 00:26:44,080
we say that or i should more correctly

640
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,600
say that mr miller says

641
00:26:48,710 --> 00:26:47,679
that this creates what's called a dirac

642
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:48,720
string so

643
00:26:53,110 --> 00:26:51,600
kind of on one side you have something

644
00:26:55,110 --> 00:26:53,120
called an electron

645
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,120
and on the other side you have something

646
00:27:00,070 --> 00:26:57,120
called a positron

647
00:27:02,310 --> 00:27:00,080
and this forms what what uh mr miller

648
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:02,320
calls a dion

649
00:27:10,789 --> 00:27:08,950
we're we're beginning to um you know

650
00:27:12,630 --> 00:27:10,799
you if you want to use the term tunnel

651
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:12,640
you know we're sort of

652
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:16,400
creating a bridge um in space there

653
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:19,039
now the interesting thing here i'm going

654
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:20,000
to show you something

655
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:23,760
here i got to find a right picture um

656
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:28,159
but we say that um

657
00:27:35,269 --> 00:27:31,520
that you have an original photon that

658
00:27:37,590 --> 00:27:35,279
came out of that probe uh

659
00:27:39,909 --> 00:27:37,600
you if you go to that first shot or your

660
00:27:42,950 --> 00:27:39,919
first or second slide there

661
00:27:45,830 --> 00:27:42,960
uh actually the second slide

662
00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:45,840
yeah so you see that those photons are

663
00:27:50,950 --> 00:27:46,720
hidden that

664
00:27:52,470 --> 00:27:50,960
that probe like that and so um

665
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,480
let me see i'm looking for something

666
00:27:57,830 --> 00:27:54,080
here uh

667
00:28:01,110 --> 00:27:57,840
in any case uh those photons

668
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,120
in uh mr miller's uh

669
00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:04,320
understanding if i have this correct uh

670
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:07,279
are made up of an electron and positron

671
00:28:11,110 --> 00:28:07,600
so

672
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:11,120
what we're doing is we're swapping our

673
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:14,240
probe with a um

674
00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:17,440
probe in um oh here here's the picture i

675
00:28:22,470 --> 00:28:18,640
was looking for

676
00:28:26,230 --> 00:28:22,480
uh with a uh uh

677
00:28:28,630 --> 00:28:26,240
the electron of a of a distant photon

678
00:28:29,350 --> 00:28:28,640
here's an example i'm speaking you know

679
00:28:31,350 --> 00:28:29,360
it's it's

680
00:28:32,950 --> 00:28:31,360
maybe getting uh confusing so i want to

681
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:32,960
clarify something here

682
00:28:40,310 --> 00:28:36,880
so if you can see that imagine that

683
00:28:43,029 --> 00:28:40,320
there's uh two couples on a dance floor

684
00:28:44,070 --> 00:28:43,039
and uh they're dancing together then

685
00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:44,080
then the lights go

686
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:47,520
dark and uh

687
00:28:53,029 --> 00:28:50,480
while the the um the lights go dark that

688
00:28:56,149 --> 00:28:53,039
the couples switch partners

689
00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:56,159
so essentially uh it's just it's a way

690
00:29:00,789 --> 00:28:57,039
uh i'm

691
00:29:03,590 --> 00:29:00,799
like a way to describe this process here

692
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:03,600
so you you have an electron and a

693
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:04,480
positron

694
00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,760
from the uh distant source

695
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,840
you're creating an artificial electron

696
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,279
and positron

697
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,520
with our probe and endpoint and then

698
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:15,039
you're swapping partners

699
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:18,000
and then this probe is at the remote

700
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:18,799
place

701
00:29:24,470 --> 00:29:22,320
many light years away you know

702
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:24,480
in a way is it something is it similar

703
00:29:28,470 --> 00:29:25,360
to like

704
00:29:33,110 --> 00:29:28,480
quantum entanglement

705
00:29:33,990 --> 00:29:33,120
well um i mean it's like a reactionary

706
00:29:37,110 --> 00:29:34,000
thing you're

707
00:29:40,230 --> 00:29:37,120
you're talking about it seems like

708
00:29:43,190 --> 00:29:40,240
well it's more of a

709
00:29:45,269 --> 00:29:43,200
maybe you could say access to a

710
00:29:47,830 --> 00:29:45,279
interdimensional space

711
00:29:48,549 --> 00:29:47,840
i think it might be more accurate to say

712
00:29:51,590 --> 00:29:48,559
uh

713
00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:51,600
and um that

714
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:54,720
like mr miller has told me that space

715
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:56,640
doesn't exist you know

716
00:30:00,230 --> 00:29:58,159
and again these are you know kind of

717
00:30:03,350 --> 00:30:00,240
abstract concepts to uh

718
00:30:06,549 --> 00:30:03,360
understand but um

719
00:30:09,269 --> 00:30:06,559
you know we normally think of like wow

720
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:09,279
like we you know we walk down the street

721
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:10,240
we get on a bus

722
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:12,960
it takes us a half hour to get into town

723
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:15,120
and that understanding of space you know

724
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:16,880
it takes us time to get from one place

725
00:30:20,630 --> 00:30:18,240
to the other

726
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,640
but let's say in a dream or something uh

727
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,159
you're in one place and then suddenly

728
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:23,919
you had another place

729
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:27,600
and so um you know i

730
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:28,960
you know we don't really understand

731
00:30:32,950 --> 00:30:30,960
dreams but um

732
00:30:34,389 --> 00:30:32,960
you know that that would be an analogy

733
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:34,399
it's accessing a different

734
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:38,000
dimension to achieve transport

735
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:39,760
so is that what this is is this

736
00:30:46,870 --> 00:30:42,720
basically like an inter-dimensional

737
00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:46,880
uh hypothesis for travel

738
00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:49,360
i'd cautiously say yes and cautiously

739
00:30:55,110 --> 00:30:51,760
because i'm not a trained scientist

740
00:30:55,750 --> 00:30:55,120
and nor can i convey the intelligence

741
00:30:58,950 --> 00:30:55,760
and

742
00:31:02,470 --> 00:30:58,960
logic of mr miller entirely

743
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:02,480
um and

744
00:31:05,909 --> 00:31:04,559
as far as you know you mentioned that um

745
00:31:09,029 --> 00:31:05,919
you know other people are

746
00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:09,039
looking at similar things would you

747
00:31:13,750 --> 00:31:11,760
would you say this is like on the table

748
00:31:15,430 --> 00:31:13,760
somewhere or some parts of it on the

749
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:15,440
table somewhere where

750
00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:17,679
um saying skunk works or something like

751
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:18,640
that someone is

752
00:31:26,070 --> 00:31:21,679
maybe trying to develop something

753
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:26,080
uh you know uh there's a group called uh

754
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:29,279
apec apec and uh

755
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:32,240
they have weekly uh meetings and uh

756
00:31:35,430 --> 00:31:33,840
there's some pretty extraordinary stuff

757
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:35,440
going on with them

758
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,000
um and i know a number of inventors i

759
00:31:46,149 --> 00:31:42,320
i'm an inventor myself

760
00:31:49,590 --> 00:31:46,159
there's a lot going on um you know

761
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:49,600
on the civilian side certainly on the um

762
00:31:53,669 --> 00:31:52,880
government side uh there's a lot going

763
00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:53,679
on

764
00:31:58,830 --> 00:31:56,799
um and and

765
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,840
of course it's it's debatable what these

766
00:32:05,029 --> 00:32:00,880
um recent uop

767
00:32:07,669 --> 00:32:05,039
uap reports um you know represent

768
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:07,679
yep and well while you just mentioned it

769
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:09,919
so what do you what do you think about

770
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:13,120
the recent report what's your opinion

771
00:32:21,750 --> 00:32:19,990
you know i'm laughing because you know

772
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:21,760
there's so much tension in this thing

773
00:32:26,870 --> 00:32:24,559
um it was such a big build up you know

774
00:32:28,149 --> 00:32:26,880
180 days you know what's gonna happen

775
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:28,159
are they going to

776
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,760
spill the beans have been we've been

777
00:32:34,549 --> 00:32:31,840
waiting for for 30 years

778
00:32:37,350 --> 00:32:34,559
and so for all of us in the uap

779
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,360
community it was a great disappointment

780
00:32:41,190 --> 00:32:40,080
um or i you know i don't know if i can

781
00:32:43,110 --> 00:32:41,200
speak for everybody but

782
00:32:45,029 --> 00:32:43,120
i think for a majority of people is a

783
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,039
great disappointment

784
00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:48,000
and yet uh if you scratch the surface

785
00:32:53,190 --> 00:32:50,480
you saw that out of the 144

786
00:32:54,870 --> 00:32:53,200
um uh sightings only one could be

787
00:32:59,350 --> 00:32:54,880
explained as a balloon

788
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:02,710
a passionate person and an advocate for

789
00:33:08,470 --> 00:33:06,320
um uap disclosure i write letters to

790
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,480
congress and i encourage other people to

791
00:33:13,029 --> 00:33:09,679
do so

792
00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:13,039
and um and i'm i have some other

793
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:18,549
when you and i were talking shortly off

794
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:20,159
off air i was hoping to

795
00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:24,159
be able to pull up lawrence krauss

796
00:33:31,830 --> 00:33:27,919
you know an amazing um

797
00:33:35,590 --> 00:33:31,840
theoretical physicist uh from canada

798
00:33:38,950 --> 00:33:35,600
um had his take on the report

799
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:38,960
and it was all kind of um

800
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:42,000
kind of poo pooing the ufo community and

801
00:33:47,350 --> 00:33:45,120
how ridiculous ridiculous um

802
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,360
we were uh i wish i could pull that up

803
00:33:50,549 --> 00:33:48,640
i'll try to pull it up at some point

804
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,559
maybe i'll put it in the show notes

805
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:53,279
but along those lines you know he he

806
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:54,080
brings up

807
00:34:00,389 --> 00:33:57,600
uh mick west who seems to be the go-to

808
00:34:01,750 --> 00:34:00,399
debunker for all of these uh people but

809
00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:01,760
you know mick west

810
00:34:07,590 --> 00:34:04,960
is not a scientist mick west is a gamer

811
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:07,600
someone who creates you know games um

812
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,159
but

813
00:34:12,310 --> 00:34:10,560
uh you know he has done some really good

814
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:12,320
work but he's done a lot of

815
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:15,040
you know senseless debunking and and

816
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:16,000
it's uh

817
00:34:19,990 --> 00:34:18,159
you know i i think he he's kind of a

818
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:20,000
pain in the neck to a lot of us

819
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,359
in this field that really want the

820
00:34:24,710 --> 00:34:23,119
answers and and um

821
00:34:27,109 --> 00:34:24,720
you know i saw him write a comment the

822
00:34:27,510 --> 00:34:27,119
other day that something along the lines

823
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,520
where

824
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:29,040
you know everyone always says that he's

825
00:34:33,829 --> 00:34:30,720
calling everything birds

826
00:34:34,629 --> 00:34:33,839
um you know and it's kind of you know

827
00:34:38,950 --> 00:34:34,639
kind of true

828
00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:38,960
you know i mean he's he's um

829
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,800
i understand you know debunking there is

830
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:42,240
definitely a place for that there's

831
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,480
definitely a place for skepticism

832
00:34:48,069 --> 00:34:47,520
especially when it comes to all this but

833
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,079
um

834
00:34:51,270 --> 00:34:50,960
i also think that people can go too far

835
00:34:55,349 --> 00:34:51,280
and

836
00:34:57,109 --> 00:34:55,359
like they should know if

837
00:34:58,470 --> 00:34:57,119
anyone else knows then they should know

838
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,480
type of thing

839
00:35:01,589 --> 00:35:00,640
yeah yeah i want to address these uh

840
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,599
very points

841
00:35:05,349 --> 00:35:04,320
the points that you're bringing up very

842
00:35:08,230 --> 00:35:05,359
directly

843
00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:08,240
because i'm quite familiar with them and

844
00:35:13,510 --> 00:35:08,960
uh

845
00:35:15,910 --> 00:35:13,520
experiencing them

846
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,920
so here i wrote down what are the five

847
00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,119
uh social

848
00:35:21,910 --> 00:35:20,240
taboos in you apology one is

849
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:21,920
uh don't do anything that might harm

850
00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:23,280
your reputation

851
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:25,040
so in the academic science world the

852
00:35:28,950 --> 00:35:27,520
scientists are reluctant to do anything

853
00:35:30,950 --> 00:35:28,960
that might harm you their reputation

854
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,960
that they worked hard to uh

855
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,200
to keep polished another thing is don't

856
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:35,040
speak in public about paranormal

857
00:35:37,829 --> 00:35:36,240
experiences

858
00:35:39,510 --> 00:35:37,839
you have had where other people can

859
00:35:41,589 --> 00:35:39,520
overhear you

860
00:35:42,829 --> 00:35:41,599
some people will be scared some people

861
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:42,839
will be

862
00:35:49,750 --> 00:35:46,560
dismissive uh you find it you have to

863
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:49,760
tread carefully about what you can share

864
00:35:52,950 --> 00:35:51,040
with others

865
00:35:55,589 --> 00:35:52,960
another thing is uh don't try to break

866
00:35:58,630 --> 00:35:55,599
the ice with a colleague who you sense

867
00:36:01,750 --> 00:35:58,640
are clueless and uninformed so there

868
00:36:05,510 --> 00:36:01,760
this is a reality that many people uh

869
00:36:08,790 --> 00:36:05,520
are clueless and uninformed and it's uh

870
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:08,800
it can feel like a provocation to your

871
00:36:12,310 --> 00:36:09,359
own

872
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:12,320
uh understanding and so when you try to

873
00:36:15,589 --> 00:36:13,440
break the ice with them

874
00:36:17,990 --> 00:36:15,599
they climb up and turn away these this

875
00:36:20,470 --> 00:36:18,000
is a reality what happens

876
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:20,480
and then uh you may have family or

877
00:36:24,550 --> 00:36:22,079
significant others

878
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,560
um who you think you can change them

879
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,160
because you're close to them

880
00:36:30,870 --> 00:36:28,560
uh that may not always be the case and

881
00:36:33,190 --> 00:36:30,880
then again you also have to

882
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:33,200
consider their reality and and the

883
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,000
difference in

884
00:36:37,510 --> 00:36:36,480
you know ontologies perspectives on

885
00:36:39,670 --> 00:36:37,520
reality

886
00:36:42,069 --> 00:36:39,680
and lastly uh don't expect the media to

887
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,079
be interested

888
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,880
i actually contacted the new york times

889
00:36:49,190 --> 00:36:46,800
about another matter

890
00:36:50,870 --> 00:36:49,200
yesterday and i spoke to a fellow and i

891
00:36:52,390 --> 00:36:50,880
said you know why isn't there more

892
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:52,400
coverage of this

893
00:36:56,390 --> 00:36:54,640
and he said oh well we do cover it uh

894
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,400
you know we actually

895
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:59,040
had a little uh podcast about the uh

896
00:37:01,750 --> 00:37:00,400
report and

897
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:01,760
i said well why wasn't it on the front

898
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:03,920
of the front page and when he says well

899
00:37:09,349 --> 00:37:05,760
he didn't really answer that one

900
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:09,359
and so um uh i said

901
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,480
we they do cover it and i said you you

902
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:14,079
there isn't that much coverage and then

903
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,680
he said well uh

904
00:37:19,829 --> 00:37:17,280
we may not cover it as much as you'd

905
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:19,839
like to but we cover this

906
00:37:23,349 --> 00:37:21,359
you know that there are many other

907
00:37:25,589 --> 00:37:23,359
pressing issues and and

908
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:25,599
um you know we we don't always cover

909
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:26,400
this

910
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:30,000
and then um uh

911
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,680
i said well listen you know this is

912
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:33,440
something could that could transform

913
00:37:36,630 --> 00:37:36,240
all of civilization and you have remarks

914
00:37:39,990 --> 00:37:36,640
by

915
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,000
um uh mr brenner the

916
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,240
former head of the cia and you have uh

917
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:43,920
certainly harry reid

918
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:47,200
and uh now obama hillary clinton

919
00:37:55,829 --> 00:37:51,839
a lot of uh of course lou and um

920
00:37:59,030 --> 00:37:55,839
uh uh i forget his name the other fellow

921
00:38:03,270 --> 00:38:01,349
right let's get my mind for the moment

922
00:38:04,470 --> 00:38:03,280
but you know these people are really

923
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:04,480
sticking their necks out

924
00:38:10,230 --> 00:38:07,119
and uh they're saying extraordinary

925
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:10,240
things and the disconnect is powerful

926
00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:13,839
and uh i you know

927
00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:16,000
welcome every opportunity myself and and

928
00:38:20,950 --> 00:38:17,520
for others to

929
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:20,960
uh pinpoint this disconnect you have

930
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:24,800
top people saying um you know that

931
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:27,599
there's some reality to the ufo uap

932
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,880
hypothesis

933
00:38:32,870 --> 00:38:31,440
and other people are dismissive so you

934
00:38:33,270 --> 00:38:32,880
know certainly this should be something

935
00:38:35,190 --> 00:38:33,280
that

936
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:35,200
it should be addressed in the media and

937
00:38:39,030 --> 00:38:36,960
it's not

938
00:38:39,990 --> 00:38:39,040
yes i listened to that podcast you're

939
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:40,000
mentioning on

940
00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:42,800
the new york times did called the daily

941
00:38:48,950 --> 00:38:44,560
on the uap report

942
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:48,960
and uh it was uh it was sort of snarky

943
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:52,000
a little bit um it was it was

944
00:38:56,790 --> 00:38:55,280
yeah and also um the there

945
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,800
i mentioned last week that there were

946
00:39:00,230 --> 00:38:58,640
two podcasts that i listened to on the

947
00:39:01,750 --> 00:39:00,240
way down to the berkshires when i was

948
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:01,760
there

949
00:39:07,510 --> 00:39:04,800
and that was one of them and both

950
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:07,520
podcasts said the same thing about

951
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:08,640
roswell

952
00:39:13,829 --> 00:39:11,599
that it was a definitive that it was the

953
00:39:14,390 --> 00:39:13,839
mogul balloon you know the spy russian

954
00:39:16,630 --> 00:39:14,400
spine

955
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:16,640
right clearly these people have not

956
00:39:19,910 --> 00:39:17,760
studied the field

957
00:39:20,950 --> 00:39:19,920
that's right you know that was just one

958
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,960
of the um

959
00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,000
well dare i say one of the lies

960
00:39:29,670 --> 00:39:27,200
that the government told um

961
00:39:30,470 --> 00:39:29,680
um you know one of the five lies that

962
00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:30,480
they they

963
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:31,920
they talked about when it comes to

964
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:34,000
roswell one of the five cover-ups

965
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:37,440
basically um so that we are only left

966
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:38,079
with the

967
00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:41,599
uh struggle to raise consciousness uh

968
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,280
you know politely respectfully um

969
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,520
with kindness and patience but

970
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:50,240
persistently

971
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:53,440
yeah yeah um

972
00:39:57,430 --> 00:39:55,359
anyway no thanks for your input on that

973
00:39:59,030 --> 00:39:57,440
i'm glad i'm glad we're kind of on the

974
00:40:02,550 --> 00:39:59,040
same page when it comes

975
00:40:03,829 --> 00:40:02,560
to that it's uh it it's a major story

976
00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:03,839
you're right you know i mean

977
00:40:08,470 --> 00:40:05,680
my friend i was talking to the other day

978
00:40:10,230 --> 00:40:08,480
said uh she said along the lines well

979
00:40:12,470 --> 00:40:10,240
you know she's out there talking to

980
00:40:15,349 --> 00:40:12,480
people that normally don't

981
00:40:17,190 --> 00:40:15,359
have an interest in ufos but asking them

982
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:17,200
hey have you seen on the news you know

983
00:40:20,550 --> 00:40:18,319
about this uap

984
00:40:21,910 --> 00:40:20,560
report and you know the task force i'm

985
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:21,920
looking into and all that and they said

986
00:40:27,030 --> 00:40:22,400
no

987
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:27,040
something as extraordinary as it really

988
00:40:29,990 --> 00:40:27,839
is

989
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:30,000
it's really not getting the coverage

990
00:40:33,750 --> 00:40:31,200
right

991
00:40:35,109 --> 00:40:33,760
it's a binary thing you're on or you're

992
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,119
off you know

993
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:39,119
and and it there is yes gradation there

994
00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:42,720
uh you know and this is the uh struggle

995
00:40:47,109 --> 00:40:43,280
that we

996
00:40:51,030 --> 00:40:47,119
those interests in this field face um

997
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:51,040
you know that it's a strange thing

998
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:54,160
i want to follow up on these things uh

999
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:55,839
what you will find is that there's

1000
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,079
dismissal and non-validation

1001
00:41:02,390 --> 00:41:00,079
there's a lack of interest by friends

1002
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:02,400
families co-workers supervisors

1003
00:41:05,589 --> 00:41:04,160
of what you personally experience with

1004
00:41:07,510 --> 00:41:05,599
great intensity

1005
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:07,520
there's a lack of comprehension and full

1006
00:41:12,630 --> 00:41:09,520
support

1007
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:12,640
by those who whom one knows there's a

1008
00:41:16,390 --> 00:41:14,480
lack of academic feedback from

1009
00:41:18,950 --> 00:41:16,400
academically trained people

1010
00:41:20,309 --> 00:41:18,960
there's no commonality of terms it's

1011
00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,319
difficult in determining

1012
00:41:23,750 --> 00:41:23,440
the right specialty this low interest in

1013
00:41:27,030 --> 00:41:23,760
the

1014
00:41:27,510 --> 00:41:27,040
uh uaps in fact i knew a professor and

1015
00:41:29,670 --> 00:41:27,520
he

1016
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,680
a number of years ago i brought it up

1017
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:31,520
and he was quite dismissive

1018
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,920
but when i brought it up to him there's

1019
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:36,000
often a rudeness in media venues

1020
00:41:40,710 --> 00:41:38,960
that you thought would be sympathetic um

1021
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:40,720
i i've tried to reach different

1022
00:41:47,030 --> 00:41:44,480
alternative medias um media venues i

1023
00:41:50,150 --> 00:41:47,040
wasn't able to get through

1024
00:41:53,430 --> 00:41:50,160
and um and yet you know

1025
00:41:56,550 --> 00:41:53,440
the the curiously uh the right-wing

1026
00:41:57,910 --> 00:41:56,560
media the fox news and such uh have

1027
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,920
picked this up

1028
00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:59,040
and then there's the economic

1029
00:42:02,550 --> 00:42:00,400
frustration that you don't have

1030
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:02,560
resources to develop and convey your

1031
00:42:05,670 --> 00:42:04,480
ideas in a powerful way this is another

1032
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,680
critical issue

1033
00:42:09,190 --> 00:42:07,280
so i just want to validate those

1034
00:42:13,910 --> 00:42:09,200
experiences for others

1035
00:42:18,470 --> 00:42:16,630
very good hey um there's been someone

1036
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,480
asked a couple of people have asked

1037
00:42:21,510 --> 00:42:21,119
in the chat if you are familiar with who

1038
00:42:25,430 --> 00:42:21,520
dr

1039
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:25,440
eric davis is yes in fact i met him

1040
00:42:31,910 --> 00:42:28,720
uh you know i i don't know

1041
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:31,920
personally but i i i didn't meet him

1042
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:35,040
um and uh very bright guy

1043
00:42:39,829 --> 00:42:39,440
um in fact i said you know i have kind

1044
00:42:42,790 --> 00:42:39,839
of a

1045
00:42:44,630 --> 00:42:42,800
um or my friends have a theory for

1046
00:42:47,910 --> 00:42:44,640
interstellar travel and

1047
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:47,920
uh you know we would like to develop

1048
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:51,920
the math to defend it and i said uh

1049
00:42:56,950 --> 00:42:53,680
you know what do you suggest he said he

1050
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,349
so uh you know i mean he said it gently

1051
00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:02,000
and and respectfully but um

1052
00:43:09,589 --> 00:43:05,920
you know i'm uh far from being able to

1053
00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:09,599
develop all the math but um davis is uh

1054
00:43:12,790 --> 00:43:11,760
you know very interesting character he's

1055
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:12,800
um

1056
00:43:17,670 --> 00:43:16,000
uh said some thought some things in the

1057
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:17,680
new york times article that were

1058
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,359
um uh you know interesting

1059
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,240
and provocative and he sort of goes to

1060
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:27,359
the edge and comes back um

1061
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:29,040
i respect the man he's another

1062
00:43:31,670 --> 00:43:30,640
extraordinary man in this extraordinary

1063
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:31,680
time

1064
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:33,680
yeah i like what you just said he goes

1065
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:36,720
to the edge and comes back

1066
00:43:42,309 --> 00:43:40,319
so getting back to you mentioned um

1067
00:43:43,589 --> 00:43:42,319
there's some uh actually there's a

1068
00:43:44,230 --> 00:43:43,599
couple of questions in chat i'm gonna

1069
00:43:47,430 --> 00:43:44,240
pull up

1070
00:43:50,069 --> 00:43:47,440
in just a minute but um going back to

1071
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:50,079
what you said earlier the the downloads

1072
00:43:53,670 --> 00:43:50,880
i mean

1073
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:53,680
this is something that i've heard talk

1074
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:54,079
about

1075
00:44:00,069 --> 00:43:57,839
it seems kind of um more recently

1076
00:44:01,829 --> 00:44:00,079
but i've heard people say that you know

1077
00:44:02,950 --> 00:44:01,839
all of a sudden they have this idea that

1078
00:44:05,349 --> 00:44:02,960
springs up

1079
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,359
and you know right after a ufo event

1080
00:44:09,030 --> 00:44:07,119
which i think is fascinating

1081
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,040
is that something you you know besides

1082
00:44:13,270 --> 00:44:10,640
of the story that those

1083
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:13,280
two gentlemen told you miller and maurer

1084
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,480
did you ever look

1085
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,359
into if other people have claimed that

1086
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,880
as well

1087
00:44:23,030 --> 00:44:20,640
well yes and in fact i was reading some

1088
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:23,040
interesting things yesterday and read it

1089
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:27,520
and often these downloads are um kind of

1090
00:44:34,550 --> 00:44:31,440
vague um you know altruistic um

1091
00:44:39,430 --> 00:44:34,560
gestures of like um

1092
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:39,440
you know um uh

1093
00:44:43,270 --> 00:44:42,560
heal the earth and or you know we all

1094
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:43,280
know that

1095
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:46,560
and and so um

1096
00:44:50,069 --> 00:44:49,599
you know i myself might have had some

1097
00:44:52,790 --> 00:44:50,079
experience

1098
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:52,800
something like that years ago and and

1099
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,240
maybe also similarly i

1100
00:44:59,190 --> 00:44:57,359
had a sense of like um

1101
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:59,200
a desire to help others after that

1102
00:45:03,670 --> 00:45:00,720
experience but

1103
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:03,680
um you know who knows but what we could

1104
00:45:09,670 --> 00:45:04,960
say is that

1105
00:45:12,390 --> 00:45:09,680
the um the the

1106
00:45:13,910 --> 00:45:12,400
the other the other whatever it may be

1107
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,920
and various people use this term the

1108
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,720
other

1109
00:45:18,470 --> 00:45:17,119
uh interacts at the level of

1110
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:18,480
consciousness

1111
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:22,640
and um i want to um

1112
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,000
you know i want to talk about that a

1113
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,319
little bit so

1114
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:28,160
so first let me kind of try to answer

1115
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:29,520
your question so

1116
00:45:33,990 --> 00:45:32,560
um what like what do i think of these

1117
00:45:37,109 --> 00:45:34,000
download things

1118
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,119
i think um you know some are

1119
00:45:41,589 --> 00:45:39,760
are rather vague ambiguous uh

1120
00:45:43,829 --> 00:45:41,599
generalizations

1121
00:45:45,829 --> 00:45:43,839
and some are seem to be quite specific

1122
00:45:49,030 --> 00:45:45,839
and and what intrigued me

1123
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:49,040
about um uh

1124
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:50,800
mr miller is that he seemed to have

1125
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:52,720
gotten very specific um

1126
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:57,359
knowledge to enable him to get a patent

1127
00:46:01,829 --> 00:46:00,000
really that that's pretty amazing you

1128
00:46:04,950 --> 00:46:01,839
know and when it comes to

1129
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,960
you you know sometimes you when you look

1130
00:46:09,829 --> 00:46:07,040
back in history you wonder

1131
00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:09,839
how certain people like tesla and

1132
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:11,520
someone like that could have

1133
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:13,839
all these amazing theories you know

1134
00:46:16,950 --> 00:46:14,720
there's the

1135
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,960
uh alternating current supposedly he

1136
00:46:21,510 --> 00:46:18,560
scratched out on a

1137
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:21,520
uh sand with a stick you know while it

1138
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:23,200
just came to him like that and

1139
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:26,400
it's you know it's almost like uh how do

1140
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:27,119
these people

1141
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:29,599
get these ideas and their genius you

1142
00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:30,160
know

1143
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:31,839
it doesn't i'm not saying it comes from

1144
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:33,520
aliens but it sure is

1145
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:36,079
pretty curious how some people just have

1146
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,160
this amazing gift i guess

1147
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:39,839
right like you know we all know the

1148
00:46:44,150 --> 00:46:42,319
mathematician uh ramanujan

1149
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,160
uh you know it came up with

1150
00:46:49,510 --> 00:46:45,920
extraordinary mathematics

1151
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:49,520
uh you know ideas that sent him from a

1152
00:46:52,950 --> 00:46:50,480
village in india

1153
00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,960
to the you know centers of mathematics

1154
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:54,800
in england at the time

1155
00:46:58,069 --> 00:46:57,680
and um einstein described the way i

1156
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:58,079
believe

1157
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:01,680
einstein said that um he came up with

1158
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,920
his theory of relativity

1159
00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,319
he said he experienced it viscerally he

1160
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,000
had a visceral sensation you know

1161
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:10,720
his muscles you know something sort of

1162
00:47:14,230 --> 00:47:11,359
uh

1163
00:47:15,990 --> 00:47:14,240
blew through his muscles and he came up

1164
00:47:18,309 --> 00:47:16,000
with these ideas so

1165
00:47:19,589 --> 00:47:18,319
yeah you know in the next 20 years we

1166
00:47:20,950 --> 00:47:19,599
may have a better handle on what all

1167
00:47:23,750 --> 00:47:20,960
this is all about

1168
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:23,760
yeah it seems like the more we learn the

1169
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:24,319
less

1170
00:47:29,910 --> 00:47:28,000
we know about reality i feel that very

1171
00:47:33,190 --> 00:47:29,920
strongly i

1172
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:33,200
i realize i know very little yeah

1173
00:47:37,510 --> 00:47:35,520
yeah and that goes back to you know what

1174
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,520
you talked early on about

1175
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,920
you know particles whether it's a wave

1176
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:41,200
or or mass

1177
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,440
and that also you know i'd like to at

1178
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:44,960
some point we can touch on that

1179
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,880
because mass is always always seems to

1180
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,160
be the issue in

1181
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:51,440
high-speed travel so here's a question

1182
00:47:57,750 --> 00:47:54,800
that i'm just not familiar with this uh

1183
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:57,760
what are your thoughts on project green

1184
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,800
glow do you haven't

1185
00:48:03,349 --> 00:48:00,720
do you happen to know what that is i

1186
00:48:05,589 --> 00:48:03,359
sure do and it's an excellent question

1187
00:48:07,270 --> 00:48:05,599
uh there is an excellent bbc uh

1188
00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:07,280
documentary on project glean

1189
00:48:14,309 --> 00:48:10,880
green glow uh it's not readily available

1190
00:48:16,630 --> 00:48:14,319
but i have seen it um

1191
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:16,640
here's the thing you know there's a

1192
00:48:21,750 --> 00:48:18,880
fellow who was working on

1193
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:21,760
an idea for antique you know uh gravity

1194
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,160
or

1195
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,359
gravity control uh he was dismissed he

1196
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,599
struggled with it for many years

1197
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:29,200
and then at the end of this very

1198
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:30,800
provocative and mysterious uh

1199
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,200
documentary by the bbc

1200
00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:36,240
um they they say you know and here's

1201
00:48:39,990 --> 00:48:37,280
evidence that they can

1202
00:48:41,589 --> 00:48:40,000
uh control gravity without any details

1203
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:41,599
of like the technical um

1204
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:45,119
aspect of it so what's

1205
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:49,200
going on that that's i don't know um

1206
00:48:53,270 --> 00:48:52,240
but project green glow is interesting so

1207
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:53,280
what do you mean control

1208
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:56,160
gravity that that that's pretty bizarre

1209
00:48:59,109 --> 00:48:56,640
i mean

1210
00:49:01,190 --> 00:48:59,119
that would be um that would definitely

1211
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:01,200
be an answer for so many things

1212
00:49:04,710 --> 00:49:03,839
you know energy travel you know it just

1213
00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:04,720
seems like if you

1214
00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:07,040
control gravity you can control about

1215
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:08,240
anything

1216
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,000
absolutely i mean uh it's been a quest

1217
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:15,599
for you know centuries um

1218
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:18,640
uh you know i i think really

1219
00:49:21,910 --> 00:49:20,160
i think i'm correct in saying that only

1220
00:49:24,309 --> 00:49:21,920
recently has uh

1221
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:24,319
have gravity waves been discovered and

1222
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,599
um

1223
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,559
you know it's just a very slow

1224
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:30,800
understanding of what gravity is

1225
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,319
um with the higgs boson and um

1226
00:49:38,470 --> 00:49:37,040
you know but you know it's rich for

1227
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:38,480
exploration we don't know

1228
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:40,480
i i you know there people probably do

1229
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:42,000
know but not me

1230
00:49:45,430 --> 00:49:44,400
yeah yeah yeah you just mentioned the

1231
00:49:48,950 --> 00:49:45,440
higgs boson

1232
00:49:51,829 --> 00:49:48,960
and that that's just another um

1233
00:49:53,510 --> 00:49:51,839
fascinating thing and and how far down

1234
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:53,520
do these things go you know that type of

1235
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:54,400
thing is just

1236
00:50:00,950 --> 00:49:58,800
another fascinating um you know uh

1237
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,960
another bizarre thing that we've

1238
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:02,880
discovered you know within the last so

1239
00:50:06,309 --> 00:50:04,240
many years

1240
00:50:07,430 --> 00:50:06,319
and uh you know more i think more and

1241
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:07,440
more will be

1242
00:50:11,109 --> 00:50:09,520
coming along in that way just to let

1243
00:50:12,390 --> 00:50:11,119
people know in the chat if you want to

1244
00:50:14,549 --> 00:50:12,400
ask a question

1245
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,559
uh please put it in all caps and at the

1246
00:50:17,349 --> 00:50:16,079
last half hour of the show

1247
00:50:19,670 --> 00:50:17,359
we're going to be going into break in

1248
00:50:21,589 --> 00:50:19,680
about five minutes here but in the last

1249
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:21,599
half hour of the show we'll be taking

1250
00:50:24,710 --> 00:50:23,520
calls if you'd rather save your

1251
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:24,720
questions for them but if you have a

1252
00:50:27,670 --> 00:50:26,480
question as we're going along please put

1253
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:27,680
it in caps

1254
00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:30,880
um so i can um i'll i'll catch it

1255
00:50:35,270 --> 00:50:32,480
and see it and put it up if it's an

1256
00:50:37,750 --> 00:50:35,280
appropriate time for it

1257
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:37,760
so i'm glad that you you you actually

1258
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:38,400
have

1259
00:50:41,829 --> 00:50:41,280
an interest in you know the ufo topic i

1260
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,839
think

1261
00:50:45,270 --> 00:50:43,760
when i was uh talking to you back and

1262
00:50:47,589 --> 00:50:45,280
forth in the beginning

1263
00:50:48,790 --> 00:50:47,599
uh figuring out if you'd make a great

1264
00:50:51,990 --> 00:50:48,800
guess for the show

1265
00:50:54,069 --> 00:50:52,000
um that topic came up but um

1266
00:50:55,349 --> 00:50:54,079
have you you mentioned something about a

1267
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,359
possible

1268
00:50:58,390 --> 00:50:58,000
um download situation but have you

1269
00:51:01,270 --> 00:50:58,400
actually

1270
00:51:02,870 --> 00:51:01,280
yourself had any type of ufo unexplained

1271
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:02,880
uh sightings

1272
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:05,920
well yes i have um i was uh

1273
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,160
riding on the four or five freeway in

1274
00:51:13,910 --> 00:51:10,480
california near carson

1275
00:51:15,829 --> 00:51:13,920
and uh i saw a gigantic um circular

1276
00:51:18,870 --> 00:51:15,839
shadow on the highway

1277
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,880
and you know as in a lot of california

1278
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:20,720
the skies are clear blue

1279
00:51:24,950 --> 00:51:24,079
right i saw from a distance i could see

1280
00:52:08,630 --> 00:51:24,960
a

1281
00:52:11,109 --> 00:52:08,640
the 1980s

1282
00:52:12,630 --> 00:52:11,119
and i pointed out to uh i was at school

1283
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:12,640
in school at the time and i pointed out

1284
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:14,160
to my peers

1285
00:52:17,190 --> 00:52:16,880
and um none of them were interested i

1286
00:52:21,589 --> 00:52:17,200
mean

1287
00:52:22,309 --> 00:52:21,599
and i said like there's a white dash in

1288
00:52:25,589 --> 00:52:22,319
the sky

1289
00:52:27,109 --> 00:52:25,599
it's not moving why isn't anybody

1290
00:52:30,230 --> 00:52:27,119
interested you know

1291
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,240
and so it was that remarkable thing of

1292
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,880
switch on switch off and then it was on

1293
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,079
it was interesting that

1294
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:36,800
uh out of about 30 students uh there was

1295
00:52:40,549 --> 00:52:37,760
one other student

1296
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:40,559
a woman who was also curious about it

1297
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:41,920
herself

1298
00:52:48,549 --> 00:52:45,359
and um she uh she stood and watched

1299
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:48,559
this white object with me for a while

1300
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:51,440
and uh it's interesting to one might

1301
00:52:55,190 --> 00:52:52,559
point out that she

1302
00:52:55,910 --> 00:52:55,200
um seemed to be a socially conscious and

1303
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,920
socially

1304
00:52:58,950 --> 00:52:58,160
aware person she was doing various

1305
00:53:02,230 --> 00:52:58,960
social issues

1306
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:02,240
documentaries and uh

1307
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,599
the other students that i was working

1308
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:05,599
with um had more sort of

1309
00:53:10,790 --> 00:53:09,040
uh commercial interests and who knows

1310
00:53:12,710 --> 00:53:10,800
there may be a connection with a certain

1311
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:12,720
you know personality type

1312
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,880
yeah so did this thing ever move or

1313
00:53:19,990 --> 00:53:16,720
anything

1314
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,000
no it didn't but i later uh

1315
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,160
saw there was some astronomer on the

1316
00:53:27,109 --> 00:53:24,240
east coast i think in the uh

1317
00:53:27,990 --> 00:53:27,119
mid-atlantic states who was a um

1318
00:53:29,910 --> 00:53:28,000
astronomer

1319
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:29,920
and he had taken pictures of it and it

1320
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:32,079
was the same thing i had seen

1321
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:35,280
and uh some people had said you know oh

1322
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:36,960
that looks like some kind of google

1323
00:53:40,950 --> 00:53:38,400
blimp or something

1324
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:40,960
but this was in the 1980s before google

1325
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:42,720
had become google

1326
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:46,160
yeah early 80s and you know so

1327
00:53:49,829 --> 00:53:49,520
uh it was validating to see that someone

1328
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:49,839
else

1329
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:52,480
had seen the same thing i had seen uh

1330
00:53:56,790 --> 00:53:53,760
you know it looked

1331
00:53:59,990 --> 00:53:56,800
it looked the same so uh

1332
00:54:01,190 --> 00:54:00,000
you know i don't know wow well uh we're

1333
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:01,200
just about ready to go

1334
00:54:07,430 --> 00:54:04,240
into break here but um the thing about

1335
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:07,440
i i just wanted to ask you real quickly

1336
00:54:11,589 --> 00:54:08,640
is uh

1337
00:54:12,710 --> 00:54:11,599
the when you saw the shadow in the road

1338
00:54:14,950 --> 00:54:12,720
you know a lot of times that

1339
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:14,960
i've mentioned on this show and my

1340
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,839
thoughts are

1341
00:54:18,950 --> 00:54:17,280
that there's only so much of the

1342
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:18,960
spectrum that we can see and there's

1343
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:21,680
possibly out things outside the spectrum

1344
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:23,119
that are right in front of us that we

1345
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:24,720
can't even notice

1346
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:28,960
you know and and i'm wondering um

1347
00:54:34,390 --> 00:54:32,240
if uh if your thoughts were that

1348
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:34,400
um this was something that was there but

1349
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:36,559
you just couldn't see it

1350
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:38,960
sure you know some kind of stealth

1351
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:40,720
something i i don't know

1352
00:54:46,470 --> 00:54:44,480
um but i i visually didn't see anything

1353
00:54:49,430 --> 00:54:46,480
but i did see a shadow

1354
00:54:50,870 --> 00:54:49,440
and um it was curious that it was right

1355
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:50,880
on the highway

1356
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,400
so i would think a lot of other people

1357
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:54,559
would have seen it as well

1358
00:54:58,630 --> 00:54:57,280
right right excellent well it's time to

1359
00:55:01,910 --> 00:54:58,640
go into break and i just want to

1360
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,920
mention that um during this break here

1361
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:03,760
since i thought we were not going to be

1362
00:55:07,589 --> 00:55:05,359
talking about

1363
00:55:09,510 --> 00:55:07,599
you know interstellar travel etc i

1364
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,520
decided to play a clip

1365
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,760
um that is with uh alan bean who was the

1366
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:14,319
fourth person on the moon this is just a

1367
00:55:17,910 --> 00:55:16,319
three and a half minute clip of him

1368
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,920
talking about what it was like

1369
00:55:21,190 --> 00:55:20,079
i recorded with alan bean several years

1370
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:21,200
ago um

1371
00:55:25,030 --> 00:55:23,520
about his artwork actually and uh here's

1372
00:55:25,829 --> 00:55:25,040
the clip now so if you're over there at

1373
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:25,839
um

1374
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:28,079
kgr a radio we'll be right back right

1375
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:35,910
um what what was it like

1376
00:55:39,750 --> 00:55:38,240
to stand on the moon and look up at

1377
00:55:42,950 --> 00:55:39,760
earth i mean that

1378
00:55:46,309 --> 00:55:42,960
is that just beyond words well

1379
00:55:46,710 --> 00:55:46,319
it i don't know if it's beyond words or

1380
00:55:51,190 --> 00:55:46,720
not

1381
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:51,200
but it is very science fiction

1382
00:55:54,230 --> 00:55:53,760
when you're doing it i mean it's you're

1383
00:55:57,829 --> 00:55:54,240
there

1384
00:56:00,950 --> 00:55:57,839
and you're saying i was saying this

1385
00:56:02,390 --> 00:56:00,960
this is the moon that is the earth it

1386
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:02,400
was hard to believe

1387
00:56:07,829 --> 00:56:05,920
it was true uh although it i knew it was

1388
00:56:09,510 --> 00:56:07,839
true i was standing there looking at it

1389
00:56:13,190 --> 00:56:09,520
but still

1390
00:56:16,950 --> 00:56:13,200
it seems so uh

1391
00:56:19,589 --> 00:56:16,960
improbable and impossible up till

1392
00:56:22,630 --> 00:56:19,599
you know we actually did it uh four

1393
00:56:25,270 --> 00:56:22,640
months before back in 1969

1394
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:25,280
neal and buzz were on the moon in july

1395
00:56:28,309 --> 00:56:27,440
and we went in november pete conrad and

1396
00:56:41,190 --> 00:56:28,319
i

1397
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:41,200
we were born

1398
00:56:45,510 --> 00:56:43,040
and we knew that when we were little

1399
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,520
kids and we knew it as we grow up

1400
00:56:48,950 --> 00:56:48,160
and we knew it when we were young men

1401
00:56:51,910 --> 00:56:48,960
and and

1402
00:56:54,470 --> 00:56:51,920
finally we said well we're going to try

1403
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:54,480
to do this we're going to do this so

1404
00:57:01,430 --> 00:56:58,319
it's uh it's kind of uh

1405
00:57:02,870 --> 00:57:01,440
amazing to us even and

1406
00:57:04,950 --> 00:57:02,880
i think that's one of the reasons

1407
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:04,960
there's not

1408
00:57:08,150 --> 00:57:07,200
good distributions of the descriptions

1409
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:08,160
of the feelings

1410
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:11,280
is because they were so

1411
00:57:17,190 --> 00:57:14,880
uh impossible to to believe

1412
00:57:18,549 --> 00:57:17,200
yourself even though you're doing it and

1413
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:18,559
so

1414
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,680
as i say i would be saying you know this

1415
00:57:26,710 --> 00:57:23,520
is the moon i look down at my

1416
00:57:27,270 --> 00:57:26,720
footprint this is the moon and i look up

1417
00:57:29,349 --> 00:57:27,280
and i say

1418
00:57:31,430 --> 00:57:29,359
that is the earth i'll tell you this

1419
00:57:34,150 --> 00:57:31,440
it's 239

1420
00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:34,160
000 miles away that's a long long way

1421
00:57:37,750 --> 00:57:34,720
yeah

1422
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:37,760
and you have to hope that

1423
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:40,000
the people put your rocket together

1424
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,280
correctly

1425
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,200
the little old ladies that sewed up your

1426
00:57:48,150 --> 00:57:45,760
spacesuit they did a good job

1427
00:57:49,750 --> 00:57:48,160
your neck is way out when you go on a

1428
00:57:53,030 --> 00:57:49,760
space mission

1429
00:57:56,069 --> 00:57:53,040
uh you know things can go wrong you just

1430
00:57:59,030 --> 00:57:56,079
are saying this is worth to me

1431
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:59,040
the risk and i just hope nothing goes

1432
00:58:03,270 --> 00:58:00,480
wrong that

1433
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,280
can't be fixed or that would be fatal so

1434
00:58:06,390 --> 00:58:05,200
you know that but you don't think about

1435
00:58:09,270 --> 00:58:06,400
it very much

1436
00:58:10,390 --> 00:58:09,280
yeah um the last question i have for you

1437
00:58:12,549 --> 00:58:10,400
about

1438
00:58:15,750 --> 00:58:12,559
the moon has anyone ever confronted you

1439
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:15,760
about this silly moon conspiracy thing

1440
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:19,200
oh sure people do it they usually

1441
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,799
say things like i've got an aunt that uh

1442
00:58:26,470 --> 00:58:24,400
that doesn't believe you went to the

1443
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:26,480
moon yeah and i

1444
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:29,040
i'm a believer in letting people be who

1445
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:29,920
they want to be

1446
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:32,240
they don't want to believe it's okay it

1447
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:33,680
doesn't hurt anybody

1448
00:58:37,030 --> 00:58:36,640
you know you know they don't believe it

1449
00:58:40,069 --> 00:58:37,040
well

1450
00:58:41,030 --> 00:58:40,079
i i'm tell your aunt uh good luck or

1451
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:41,040
tell your aunt

1452
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:43,119
you know hold on to that belief there's

1453
00:58:48,230 --> 00:58:44,799
nothing wrong with it

1454
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:48,240
it's just not the way i see it and uh

1455
00:58:51,910 --> 00:58:50,319
not the way i remember it but it's okay

1456
00:58:52,390 --> 00:58:51,920
there's nothing wrong with it i would

1457
00:59:17,109 --> 00:58:52,400
never

1458
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:19,910
a uh a clip from alan bean that's an

1459
00:59:23,030 --> 00:59:20,799
excerpt

1460
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:23,040
of a full interview i did with him about

1461
00:59:27,030 --> 00:59:24,960
his his beautiful artwork

1462
00:59:28,069 --> 00:59:27,040
as you saw up on the screen there if

1463
00:59:31,190 --> 00:59:28,079
you're watching on

1464
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:31,200
youtube or facebook that is just

1465
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:33,599
incredible his work was so realistic

1466
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:35,040
and he's the only one that ever walked

1467
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:36,559
on the moon that is painting these

1468
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:37,359
pictures

1469
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:40,480
wow what a nice attitude here we go

1470
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:43,599
talking about three two one go

1471
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,200
all right welcome back this is martin

1472
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:47,760
willis and my guest tonight is uh

1473
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,680
paul kirsch and uh we are discussing

1474
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:54,480
um a lot of topics um i'm glad to say

1475
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:55,280
that we're

1476
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:58,559
um talking as well about the ufo topic

1477
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,839
and um um because uh

1478
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:04,079
they're they're the one of the main

1479
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,359
things i always hear

1480
01:00:08,789 --> 01:00:08,079
you know physicists or astrophysicists

1481
01:00:11,750 --> 01:00:08,799
um

1482
01:00:13,270 --> 01:00:11,760
or astronomers talk about when they're

1483
01:00:15,510 --> 01:00:13,280
skeptical which i believe

1484
01:00:16,549 --> 01:00:15,520
you know they have every right to be

1485
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:16,559
skeptical

1486
01:00:22,870 --> 01:00:20,000
about you know how ufos get here is the

1487
01:00:25,349 --> 01:00:22,880
vastness of space it's not even

1488
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:25,359
um something that we can comprehend in

1489
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:26,880
any type of way

1490
01:00:33,349 --> 01:00:30,880
um so um i i've said this before

1491
01:00:35,109 --> 01:00:33,359
um with an astrophysicist that was on

1492
01:00:38,230 --> 01:00:35,119
this show at one point uh

1493
01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:38,240
jeffrey bennett said that he was working

1494
01:00:43,430 --> 01:00:39,359
on a model

1495
01:00:47,190 --> 01:00:43,440
and the model was that the sun

1496
01:00:51,270 --> 01:00:47,200
would be the size of a grapefruit

1497
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,280
in i want to say he said maryland

1498
01:00:54,789 --> 01:00:53,520
right around washington dc so it's

1499
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:54,799
sitting in washington dc

1500
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,040
the size of a grapefruit the earth

1501
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:01,280
next to that is the size of the ball and

1502
01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:03,599
a ballpoint pen

1503
01:01:07,109 --> 01:01:04,960
now you go all the way over to

1504
01:01:08,150 --> 01:01:07,119
california and that's the first star the

1505
01:01:10,150 --> 01:01:08,160
closest star

1506
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:10,160
to us that's four and a half light years

1507
01:01:13,910 --> 01:01:11,599
away so

1508
01:01:15,829 --> 01:01:13,920
if you can kind of imagine the sun being

1509
01:01:19,589 --> 01:01:15,839
the size as a grapefruit

1510
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:19,599
and us being the size the little teeny

1511
01:01:23,430 --> 01:01:20,720
tiny size

1512
01:01:25,030 --> 01:01:23,440
of a ball ball and a ballpoint pen and

1513
01:01:26,950 --> 01:01:25,040
then all the way over to the west coast

1514
01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:26,960
to california

1515
01:01:33,270 --> 01:01:30,160
that's how far the distances of the uh

1516
01:01:34,789 --> 01:01:33,280
nearest star to us so i understand why a

1517
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:34,799
physicist would say you know it's

1518
01:01:37,510 --> 01:01:36,000
impossible

1519
01:01:39,510 --> 01:01:37,520
you know it would take us four and a

1520
01:01:43,030 --> 01:01:39,520
half years at light speed

1521
01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:43,040
to get to the nearest star so and

1522
01:01:47,589 --> 01:01:45,760
as far as we know there's no type of

1523
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,599
travel that will even

1524
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,599
reach near light speed and then you have

1525
01:01:54,069 --> 01:01:50,880
all the elements of the

1526
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:54,079
the time uh variants and all that

1527
01:01:58,150 --> 01:01:56,880
so um want to hear your your thoughts on

1528
01:02:01,270 --> 01:01:58,160
everything i just black babbled

1529
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:01,280
but you were listening right yes yes yes

1530
01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:04,400
so well i i uh i want to

1531
01:02:10,950 --> 01:02:08,000
say that you know our uh

1532
01:02:11,750 --> 01:02:10,960
the theory of of transport that mr

1533
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:11,760
miller uh

1534
01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:15,200
proposes and that i have uh struggled to

1535
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:18,480
understand over a number of years and

1536
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:21,760
minimally have understood um

1537
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:23,920
you know requires us to take a very

1538
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,480
different perspective on space

1539
01:02:30,710 --> 01:02:29,119
and i have uh some specific information

1540
01:02:33,750 --> 01:02:30,720
here

1541
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,760
jordan paper

1542
01:02:37,829 --> 01:02:35,280
was published in the american journal of

1543
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:37,839
physics in 2009

1544
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:40,640
and here's a quote heisenberg's bold

1545
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:42,480
idea was to retain the

1546
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:44,960
classical position coordinate with a

1547
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:47,359
quantum theoretical quantity

1548
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,520
the new position quantity contains

1549
01:02:54,069 --> 01:02:51,680
information about the measurable line

1550
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:54,079
spectrum of an atom rather than the

1551
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:55,200
observable

1552
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,720
you know without them it may sound like

1553
01:03:05,349 --> 01:03:02,880
a lot of wordy gobbledygook

1554
01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:05,359
but to kind of get to the heart of it

1555
01:03:08,870 --> 01:03:06,880
part of what we're doing here

1556
01:03:11,349 --> 01:03:08,880
is defining the place of something by

1557
01:03:14,390 --> 01:03:11,359
the energy spectrum of something

1558
01:03:18,150 --> 01:03:14,400
and this will relate to navigation

1559
01:03:21,270 --> 01:03:18,160
and transport uh you know we

1560
01:03:24,789 --> 01:03:21,280
get stuck in this perception of like

1561
01:03:25,270 --> 01:03:24,799
that the uh you know that you know these

1562
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:25,280
vast

1563
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:27,599
distances you know okay we that's one

1564
01:03:31,750 --> 01:03:29,839
way to look at it you know it it we're

1565
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:31,760
talking about a sort of phenomenological

1566
01:03:36,870 --> 01:03:33,359
perspective here

1567
01:03:41,109 --> 01:03:36,880
and you know there's another way

1568
01:03:45,589 --> 01:03:41,119
to look at this and so um

1569
01:03:49,029 --> 01:03:45,599
like in in in that born jordan paper

1570
01:03:49,430 --> 01:03:49,039
uh to my understanding he's pointing out

1571
01:03:52,150 --> 01:03:49,440
that

1572
01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:52,160
we're not specifically saying like an

1573
01:03:54,950 --> 01:03:52,799
object is

1574
01:03:56,950 --> 01:03:54,960
has a certain position we're saying

1575
01:03:59,029 --> 01:03:56,960
object has a certain energy and that

1576
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,039
defines the position

1577
01:04:02,950 --> 01:04:01,200
so uh you know it's it's a different

1578
01:04:06,549 --> 01:04:02,960
interpretation of how things

1579
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,559
work and it's the it's it's abandoning

1580
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:08,160
the rocket system

1581
01:04:15,029 --> 01:04:12,400
it's abandoning like it you have to um

1582
01:04:17,029 --> 01:04:15,039
you know you get in a rocket it takes

1583
01:04:20,549 --> 01:04:17,039
time takes three months to get to mars

1584
01:04:22,549 --> 01:04:20,559
no there is another way you know

1585
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,559
and and i want to bring up another thing

1586
01:04:28,230 --> 01:04:24,480
here um

1587
01:04:30,870 --> 01:04:28,240
like i i was telling uh uh

1588
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,880
martin this earlier there's a parable

1589
01:04:35,190 --> 01:04:32,319
that came to mind

1590
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:35,200
and that was that like uh you can

1591
01:04:38,950 --> 01:04:36,319
imagine a time

1592
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:38,960
you know many centuries ago perhaps in a

1593
01:04:43,109 --> 01:04:40,720
certain mythic time

1594
01:04:44,549 --> 01:04:43,119
where one fellow uh created like a

1595
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:44,559
wooden cart

1596
01:04:49,349 --> 01:04:47,440
and that cart um had four sides to it

1597
01:04:52,390 --> 01:04:49,359
and a platform floor

1598
01:04:53,510 --> 01:04:52,400
and then it uh also had four uh wheels

1599
01:04:57,270 --> 01:04:53,520
but those wheels

1600
01:05:00,549 --> 01:04:57,280
were square and so i say that all the

1601
01:05:01,990 --> 01:05:00,559
pundits and professionals uh the sages

1602
01:05:05,109 --> 01:05:02,000
and savants

1603
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,119
uh were critical of the fellow for for

1604
01:05:09,589 --> 01:05:07,839
proposing a cart and they said you know

1605
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:09,599
what what do you mean you can transport

1606
01:05:13,029 --> 01:05:11,200
you know something with this it's a box

1607
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:13,039
it and it doesn't move it's just you

1608
01:05:17,349 --> 01:05:14,000
push it it's

1609
01:05:19,270 --> 01:05:17,359
really hard to push and then you know

1610
01:05:23,349 --> 01:05:19,280
maybe had a friend or a sympathetic

1611
01:05:25,270 --> 01:05:23,359
um person or an wise person

1612
01:05:27,029 --> 01:05:25,280
we said well what happens if we start to

1613
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:27,039
sand the edges of those wheels a little

1614
01:05:31,589 --> 01:05:28,000
bit

1615
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:31,599
and um you know he struggled to send the

1616
01:05:36,789 --> 01:05:35,119
square wheels a little bit and um

1617
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:36,799
uh you know gradually they became sort

1618
01:05:40,069 --> 01:05:38,160
of more oval

1619
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:40,079
and you pushed it and hey you could

1620
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:41,359
suddenly you could

1621
01:05:44,710 --> 01:05:44,160
move that cart and then so people had to

1622
01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:44,720
see it

1623
01:05:49,109 --> 01:05:47,119
you know and and people had to struggle

1624
01:05:52,390 --> 01:05:49,119
against the consensus view

1625
01:05:52,950 --> 01:05:52,400
about how things work uh and this is the

1626
01:05:55,829 --> 01:05:52,960
case

1627
01:05:57,270 --> 01:05:55,839
um and indeed like how does science

1628
01:05:58,789 --> 01:05:57,280
advance

1629
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:58,799
you know i'll repeat it again how does

1630
01:06:03,109 --> 01:06:00,640
science advance without

1631
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:03,119
these stumbles and falls and short

1632
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:04,559
advancements

1633
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,680
and so although my book uh you know

1634
01:06:12,309 --> 01:06:09,680
again it will not enable you to build an

1635
01:06:15,430 --> 01:06:12,319
interstellar spaceship in your backyard

1636
01:06:16,630 --> 01:06:15,440
uh i i believe it's a first step and and

1637
01:06:26,950 --> 01:06:16,640
i

1638
01:06:30,150 --> 01:06:26,960
and get to know a sense

1639
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:30,160
of where i stand about things and also

1640
01:06:35,670 --> 01:06:33,359
um uh how the inventors uh some of the

1641
01:06:38,150 --> 01:06:35,680
struggles of the inventors

1642
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:38,160
so i just wanted to bring that up yeah

1643
01:06:41,829 --> 01:06:38,720
yeah

1644
01:06:45,430 --> 01:06:41,839
i i spoke up i spoke earlier about

1645
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:45,440
um lawrence krauss um in his

1646
01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:48,480
uh his article that came out

1647
01:06:56,230 --> 01:06:53,119
in uh it was in uh uh colette.com

1648
01:06:59,349 --> 01:06:56,240
and uh the title of it is whatever it is

1649
01:07:02,549 --> 01:06:59,359
it ain't aliens um so and i think

1650
01:07:05,670 --> 01:07:02,559
just the title alone already shows

1651
01:07:06,230 --> 01:07:05,680
um there's there's uh did anywhere in

1652
01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:06,240
the uh

1653
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,760
a preliminary assessment um did it say

1654
01:07:13,349 --> 01:07:11,920
this it's not aliens it's not

1655
01:07:16,789 --> 01:07:13,359
extraterrestrial

1656
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:16,799
um you know i mean he talks about the

1657
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:17,920
the shiny flying

1658
01:07:21,029 --> 01:07:20,079
objects and you know and it's just

1659
01:07:24,549 --> 01:07:21,039
pushing it all

1660
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:24,559
off like um and saying calling people

1661
01:07:31,190 --> 01:07:28,480
like myself a ufo enthusiast heralded

1662
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:31,200
the report as it was the first official

1663
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,880
evidence of possible extraterrestrial

1664
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,920
intelligence

1665
01:07:37,109 --> 01:07:35,520
while the media form around the world

1666
01:07:37,990 --> 01:07:37,119
focused on the large number of official

1667
01:07:41,990 --> 01:07:38,000
sightings

1668
01:07:44,390 --> 01:07:42,000
remain unexplained and but anyway um

1669
01:07:45,589 --> 01:07:44,400
yeah you know i i have a great response

1670
01:07:48,390 --> 01:07:45,599
to that fellow

1671
01:07:49,670 --> 01:07:48,400
uh and this is i have a friend his name

1672
01:07:52,870 --> 01:07:49,680
is sam millander

1673
01:07:55,349 --> 01:07:52,880
and he's an extraordinary guy he's um

1674
01:07:56,710 --> 01:07:55,359
uh he's an inventor himself and he's has

1675
01:07:57,990 --> 01:07:56,720
he's working on some extraordinary

1676
01:07:59,109 --> 01:07:58,000
inventions that i hope we see in the

1677
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,119
near future

1678
01:08:03,910 --> 01:08:02,160
anyway he's also musician and so we were

1679
01:08:06,150 --> 01:08:03,920
talking about this very thing about

1680
01:08:08,549 --> 01:08:06,160
you know closed-minded people and he

1681
01:08:11,990 --> 01:08:08,559
says they're not musicians

1682
01:08:14,150 --> 01:08:12,000
he says he said for a musician um

1683
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:14,160
you know you know think of the the early

1684
01:08:17,430 --> 01:08:15,920
jazz days that they'll switch from one

1685
01:08:19,669 --> 01:08:17,440
chord to the other

1686
01:08:21,669 --> 01:08:19,679
and everybody in the classical musicians

1687
01:08:25,510 --> 01:08:21,679
at the time would say you know you can't

1688
01:08:27,189 --> 01:08:25,520
go from you know a minor chord to a

1689
01:08:27,990 --> 01:08:27,199
major chord or whatever you know the

1690
01:08:30,709 --> 01:08:28,000
musical

1691
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:30,719
way of expression is you know and the

1692
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:32,000
jazz musician said

1693
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:34,960
yes you can and here it is you know and

1694
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:35,679
then

1695
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:38,480
so it's like uh his response was like

1696
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:39,920
they're not musicians

1697
01:08:43,910 --> 01:08:42,239
and you have to show it to them before

1698
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,920
they they believe it and then

1699
01:08:46,950 --> 01:08:46,080
and then the people around them their

1700
01:08:49,349 --> 01:08:46,960
peers

1701
01:08:51,510 --> 01:08:49,359
have to develop a consensus and you are

1702
01:08:54,870 --> 01:08:51,520
fighting and struggling against

1703
01:08:58,709 --> 01:08:54,880
that established world view um

1704
01:09:02,950 --> 01:08:58,719
it happens again and again uh and

1705
01:09:06,149 --> 01:09:02,960
you know in in a very predictable cycle

1706
01:09:09,030 --> 01:09:06,159
though i will say you know certainly

1707
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:09,040
uh the events of 2017 when the new york

1708
01:09:11,669 --> 01:09:09,679
times

1709
01:09:14,229 --> 01:09:11,679
article first came out and to the stars

1710
01:09:16,550 --> 01:09:14,239
and um

1711
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,560
you know and the bold statements by

1712
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:18,719
louis elizondo

1713
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:21,199
it was quite heartening you know like

1714
01:09:25,030 --> 01:09:21,839
wow

1715
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,040
you know we we're all like going nuts

1716
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,560
um yeah but uh and we were also you know

1717
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:30,319
uh suspicious like who's this

1718
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,000
intelligence guy and what are these

1719
01:09:35,110 --> 01:09:34,319
intel you know what's the you know

1720
01:09:37,829 --> 01:09:35,120
intelligence

1721
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:37,839
uh process behind this and we don't know

1722
01:09:42,070 --> 01:09:38,640
um

1723
01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:42,080
and we we all you know watch it

1724
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,600
as it advances um but certainly uh uh

1725
01:09:48,070 --> 01:09:47,520
the ball has been kicked further down

1726
01:09:50,229 --> 01:09:48,080
the field

1727
01:09:51,669 --> 01:09:50,239
and the door has cracked slightly open

1728
01:09:55,110 --> 01:09:51,679
and um

1729
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:55,120
the navy has made uh statements that um

1730
01:09:58,950 --> 01:09:58,000
they they don't know what certain things

1731
01:10:02,470 --> 01:09:58,960
are i mean that's

1732
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:02,480
it's a major step for the navy yeah

1733
01:10:07,910 --> 01:10:05,679
so you know it's um things are changing

1734
01:10:09,189 --> 01:10:07,920
uh we hope they continue to change uh we

1735
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:09,199
don't know and

1736
01:10:12,790 --> 01:10:12,159
since since we don't know uh you know i

1737
01:10:19,510 --> 01:10:12,800
i

1738
01:10:20,070 --> 01:10:19,520
you we may not get help from anybody

1739
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:20,080
else

1740
01:10:24,070 --> 01:10:23,360
anywhere we may not get any help we have

1741
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:24,080
to

1742
01:10:27,510 --> 01:10:26,000
take responsibility for our own lives

1743
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:27,520
and take responsibility for the

1744
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:28,800
situation

1745
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:31,120
and do what we as individuals can do

1746
01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:32,719
within our power

1747
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,520
right right um i hope the listener will

1748
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,719
let me uh

1749
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:39,440
vent just a little bit more on lawrence

1750
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,320
krauss's

1751
01:10:43,830 --> 01:10:42,080
article because i just want to read

1752
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:43,840
through as quickly as i can there's kind

1753
01:10:47,669 --> 01:10:44,400
of

1754
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:47,679
four

1755
01:10:51,270 --> 01:10:49,760
his five arguments uh maybe i'll get

1756
01:10:54,149 --> 01:10:51,280
through all these of why

1757
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:54,159
that uh extraterrestrials in no way can

1758
01:10:57,669 --> 01:10:55,360
be here

1759
01:10:58,470 --> 01:10:57,679
number one the laws of physics travel

1760
01:11:00,550 --> 01:10:58,480
from

1761
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,560
another start in any reasonable time

1762
01:11:03,590 --> 01:11:02,640
requires near light speed travel a ship

1763
01:11:06,229 --> 01:11:03,600
propelled

1764
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,239
by onboard conventional rocket fuel see

1765
01:11:09,350 --> 01:11:07,679
he's saying that

1766
01:11:11,110 --> 01:11:09,360
let me point me let me stop you right

1767
01:11:13,350 --> 01:11:11,120
there because it's a wonderful

1768
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:13,360
uh statement by mr miller about that he

1769
01:11:15,510 --> 01:11:14,159
says

1770
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,520
forgive me for interruption i'll let you

1771
01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:17,360
know that's fine but

1772
01:11:20,950 --> 01:11:20,080
he says um i said michael michael you

1773
01:11:24,149 --> 01:11:20,960
know that

1774
01:11:25,750 --> 01:11:24,159
in existing theory um the closer you

1775
01:11:27,510 --> 01:11:25,760
come to the speed of light you gain

1776
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:27,520
infinite mass so you could never go

1777
01:11:32,390 --> 01:11:29,520
faster than the speed of light because

1778
01:11:33,830 --> 01:11:32,400
you gain infinite mass he says paul paul

1779
01:11:35,669 --> 01:11:33,840
yes you're right

1780
01:11:38,149 --> 01:11:35,679
you can't go faster than the speed of

1781
01:11:41,590 --> 01:11:38,159
light in this dimension

1782
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:41,600
you know so yeah i mean michael's an

1783
01:11:45,270 --> 01:11:42,960
incredible wit

1784
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:45,280
and i could just the numerous things he

1785
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:46,239
said they're just

1786
01:11:53,030 --> 01:11:50,560
incredibly insightful uh yeah and so

1787
01:11:54,790 --> 01:11:53,040
yeah go on what else is this well yeah

1788
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:54,800
he discusses the mass right here

1789
01:11:59,270 --> 01:11:57,199
uh just a little further down but being

1790
01:12:01,510 --> 01:11:59,280
but even using nuclear

1791
01:12:03,350 --> 01:12:01,520
uh fusion one would use more than two

1792
01:12:05,950 --> 01:12:03,360
thousand times the mass of a ship

1793
01:12:07,669 --> 01:12:05,960
in fuel for each acceleration and

1794
01:12:10,310 --> 01:12:07,679
deacceleration

1795
01:12:12,630 --> 01:12:10,320
to and from near light speed basic

1796
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:12,640
physics constraints simplify

1797
01:12:17,910 --> 01:12:16,159
that any on-board propulsion technology

1798
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,920
that could power a conventional ship

1799
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,600
size spacecraft

1800
01:12:23,510 --> 01:12:21,600
to travel from one solar system to

1801
01:12:25,830 --> 01:12:23,520
another at near light speed

1802
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:25,840
and decelerate within our solar system

1803
01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:27,360
without

1804
01:12:35,270 --> 01:12:33,510
all right so i'm gonna try to i'm gonna

1805
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,280
try to cut these down a little bit

1806
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,239
um this one i like number two is pretty

1807
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,239
funny it only hurts when you stop

1808
01:12:43,350 --> 01:12:42,800
i i wanna respond to that what you just

1809
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:43,360
said though

1810
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:46,800
okay sure you know

1811
01:12:52,149 --> 01:12:50,239
uh yeah it takes a lot of energy to

1812
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:52,159
uh travel from one place to the other

1813
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:54,640
and to decelerate et cetera

1814
01:12:57,669 --> 01:12:56,400
and then here's another remark from uh

1815
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:57,679
mr miller

1816
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:01,360
uh unless you use a portal

1817
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,480
or the wormhole is and we may talk a

1818
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:06,000
little bit about that because i saw the

1819
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:06,719
laser

1820
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:08,320
driven wormhole or something like that

1821
01:13:11,189 --> 01:13:09,679
i'll talk to you a little bit about that

1822
01:13:12,790 --> 01:13:11,199
in a minute

1823
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:12,800
so number two it only hurts when you

1824
01:13:17,590 --> 01:13:14,560
stop some reports claim that you

1825
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:17,600
uaps travel extremely fast

1826
01:13:21,430 --> 01:13:19,920
and stop or turn instantly no matter

1827
01:13:24,470 --> 01:13:21,440
what the propulsion system

1828
01:13:26,470 --> 01:13:24,480
g-forces experience in such a maneuver

1829
01:13:28,550 --> 01:13:26,480
would be enough to crush steel

1830
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:28,560
not to mention the unfortunate aliens

1831
01:13:32,950 --> 01:13:29,840
inside

1832
01:13:35,669 --> 01:13:32,960
this is unless one had inertial

1833
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:35,679
dampers like they have in star trek

1834
01:13:39,350 --> 01:13:36,000
which

1835
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,360
alas our science fiction techno

1836
01:13:43,270 --> 01:13:41,440
babble in other words he's just

1837
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:43,280
dismissing this whole thing

1838
01:13:49,669 --> 01:13:46,400
of these um say david fravor or other

1839
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,679
people um actually see seeing on radar

1840
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:51,040
radar and other

1841
01:13:56,149 --> 01:13:54,080
um these things

1842
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:56,159
stopping and and doing you know up to

1843
01:13:59,669 --> 01:13:57,440
1500

1844
01:14:00,790 --> 01:13:59,679
um g's in their maneuvers and things

1845
01:14:03,030 --> 01:14:00,800
like that he's saying

1846
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:03,040
he's basically saying it's all hogwash

1847
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:04,080
yeah can i

1848
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:07,360
can i respond to that yeah yeah

1849
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:10,239
you'll forgive me because i i know it's

1850
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:10,800
an and

1851
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:14,239
you know you know it makes for an

1852
01:14:18,470 --> 01:14:15,760
interesting thing right

1853
01:14:19,189 --> 01:14:18,480
you know the the polarity perspectives

1854
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:19,199
you know that

1855
01:14:22,870 --> 01:14:20,800
you know and i know you don't feel like

1856
01:14:23,750 --> 01:14:22,880
this but you're saying how other people

1857
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:23,760
may think

1858
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,600
so here's another thing um

1859
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:29,360
you know let's talk about fraver and

1860
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:30,719
dietrich you know

1861
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:34,080
and and i i think you can see on

1862
01:14:40,470 --> 01:14:37,120
dietrich's face in her 60 minutes um

1863
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,480
uh show in the 60 minute show

1864
01:14:43,910 --> 01:14:42,800
that she's experiencing ontological

1865
01:14:46,149 --> 01:14:43,920
shock

1866
01:14:49,030 --> 01:14:46,159
you know it's like hey this doesn't fit

1867
01:14:52,149 --> 01:14:49,040
in the box and yet i've seen it you know

1868
01:14:54,830 --> 01:14:52,159
and uh an ontological shock is a

1869
01:14:58,310 --> 01:14:54,840
wonderful term a divorce

1870
01:14:59,830 --> 01:14:58,320
um john mack the harvard professor

1871
01:15:03,189 --> 01:14:59,840
coined the term

1872
01:15:05,189 --> 01:15:03,199
and so this fellow you know is going to

1873
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:05,199
experience some ontological shock he

1874
01:15:08,950 --> 01:15:06,480
hasn't yet

1875
01:15:10,790 --> 01:15:08,960
and in fact you know you read about

1876
01:15:13,830 --> 01:15:10,800
things like sam harris

1877
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:13,840
who's a leading intellectual of the day

1878
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,480
yeah it's saying like these guys are

1879
01:15:20,310 --> 01:15:17,679
going to struggle

1880
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,320
in the future i mean there's got to be

1881
01:15:24,870 --> 01:15:22,080
some problems here where they

1882
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:24,880
you know hit that wall of ontological

1883
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:25,840
shock

1884
01:15:30,709 --> 01:15:28,640
and and their whole world view has got

1885
01:15:34,630 --> 01:15:30,719
to change and and that's something

1886
01:15:37,669 --> 01:15:34,640
lou is expressing um and he knows it

1887
01:15:38,790 --> 01:15:37,679
and i have a sense of what he knows and

1888
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:38,800
uh

1889
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:43,920
for these people that their whole lives

1890
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,880
and livelihoods

1891
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,159
are dependent on it they're gonna

1892
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:48,320
struggle uh

1893
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:49,840
in the past you know that might have

1894
01:15:55,830 --> 01:15:52,239
been a uh

1895
01:15:56,550 --> 01:15:55,840
a jab from a of a you know a weak jab

1896
01:15:58,870 --> 01:15:56,560
against the

1897
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:58,880
uh giant but you know even in that

1898
01:16:02,310 --> 01:16:00,239
recent twitter thing i guess

1899
01:16:04,790 --> 01:16:02,320
you might have followed this you know

1900
01:16:07,270 --> 01:16:04,800
dietrich challenged the degrassi

1901
01:16:09,830 --> 01:16:07,280
tyson head on you know i don't you saw

1902
01:16:12,630 --> 01:16:09,840
that thing was amazing she says um

1903
01:16:13,830 --> 01:16:12,640
she says uh you know this is all social

1904
01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:13,840
bias she says

1905
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:16,000
i you know i teach social bias or

1906
01:16:19,830 --> 01:16:17,440
something and then

1907
01:16:21,590 --> 01:16:19,840
you know um there was three points and

1908
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:21,600
then and then she addressed all three of

1909
01:16:24,790 --> 01:16:22,560
them and

1910
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,800
like you know she's got gravity i mean

1911
01:16:27,750 --> 01:16:25,920
she's a fighter pilot

1912
01:16:29,350 --> 01:16:27,760
extraordinary person i mean i'm afraid

1913
01:16:31,110 --> 01:16:29,360
to fly on a plane she

1914
01:16:33,590 --> 01:16:31,120
she does comment miss you know whatever

1915
01:16:36,149 --> 01:16:33,600
you know um

1916
01:16:36,870 --> 01:16:36,159
she she has faced the ontological shock

1917
01:16:38,950 --> 01:16:36,880
and gone

1918
01:16:41,110 --> 01:16:38,960
and it's struggling to get to the other

1919
01:16:42,229 --> 01:16:41,120
side these other fellows have not and

1920
01:16:44,470 --> 01:16:42,239
they will

1921
01:16:45,590 --> 01:16:44,480
and you know if if statements by sam

1922
01:16:47,590 --> 01:16:45,600
harris

1923
01:16:48,630 --> 01:16:47,600
and stamen spy a lot of other important

1924
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:48,640
people

1925
01:16:56,229 --> 01:16:52,239
you know um are

1926
01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:56,239
you know are shown you know

1927
01:17:00,229 --> 01:16:58,000
open up things you know we're all going

1928
01:17:02,950 --> 01:17:00,239
to see some some big changes

1929
01:17:03,350 --> 01:17:02,960
yeah i i like everything you just said

1930
01:17:07,510 --> 01:17:03,360
um

1931
01:17:10,149 --> 01:17:07,520
dietrich on this

1932
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:10,159
um on this show if anyone knows a way to

1933
01:17:12,390 --> 01:17:10,719
reach her

1934
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:12,400
she has a twitter but you can't message

1935
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:14,000
her on twitter

1936
01:17:19,590 --> 01:17:17,280
and uh she was on with mick west and um

1937
01:17:20,390 --> 01:17:19,600
she kind of put him in his place a few

1938
01:17:22,470 --> 01:17:20,400
times

1939
01:17:24,310 --> 01:17:22,480
so if anyone knows how to uh reach her

1940
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:24,320
please let me know i'd love to have her

1941
01:17:29,030 --> 01:17:25,440
on this show

1942
01:17:29,669 --> 01:17:29,040
um you're right it was a new paradigm

1943
01:17:32,870 --> 01:17:29,679
for her

1944
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:32,880
to swallow to understand and uh in the

1945
01:17:36,790 --> 01:17:33,840
60 minutes

1946
01:17:37,430 --> 01:17:36,800
program with her she puts that across

1947
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:37,440
very

1948
01:17:42,149 --> 01:17:40,400
uh well i think she she describes the

1949
01:17:43,110 --> 01:17:42,159
feeling and how it kind of changed

1950
01:17:45,350 --> 01:17:43,120
everything for her

1951
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,360
oh it's coming right from the heart yeah

1952
01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:47,280
yeah i also want to say

1953
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:50,800
it kind of like a different approach um

1954
01:17:57,110 --> 01:17:55,120
my approach is to um you know

1955
01:17:59,189 --> 01:17:57,120
you know listen to the naysayers some

1956
01:18:01,189 --> 01:17:59,199
but not devote too much energy to them

1957
01:18:04,229 --> 01:18:01,199
but rather to devote energy

1958
01:18:07,430 --> 01:18:04,239
to the forward-looking people to the um

1959
01:18:10,229 --> 01:18:07,440
you know next-generation people uh

1960
01:18:11,350 --> 01:18:10,239
who have extraordinary ideas and i just

1961
01:18:11,990 --> 01:18:11,360
know a number of people with

1962
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,000
extraordinary

1963
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:15,199
ideas um and

1964
01:18:18,709 --> 01:18:17,040
you know rather to devote energies to

1965
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:18,719
that um

1966
01:18:24,070 --> 01:18:22,080
because i i see a lot of um fighting on

1967
01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,080
on reddit and twitter and

1968
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:26,000
you know attacks against midwest you

1969
01:18:31,110 --> 01:18:28,239
know whatever uh

1970
01:18:32,790 --> 01:18:31,120
he is who he is you know you can't uh

1971
01:18:33,669 --> 01:18:32,800
convert someone with beliefs that deep

1972
01:18:35,830 --> 01:18:33,679
you know

1973
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,840
well i've had him on the show uh three

1974
01:18:39,590 --> 01:18:36,960
times

1975
01:18:40,310 --> 01:18:39,600
and so i'm i'm open to listening to

1976
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:40,320
skeptics

1977
01:18:43,350 --> 01:18:43,040
and um you know it's kind of i think it

1978
01:18:46,149 --> 01:18:43,360
was

1979
01:18:47,750 --> 01:18:46,159
the sort of the irony and this is uh i

1980
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,760
had him on

1981
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:49,920
and uh i had kevin day i couldn't have

1982
01:18:55,590 --> 01:18:52,400
kevin day from the uss nimitz

1983
01:18:57,910 --> 01:18:55,600
um who was in charge of all the radar um

1984
01:18:58,790 --> 01:18:57,920
on the princeton uh but during the

1985
01:19:03,430 --> 01:18:58,800
nimitz um

1986
01:19:06,470 --> 01:19:03,440
situation uh basically

1987
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:06,480
by the time i got finished with

1988
01:19:13,669 --> 01:19:10,239
my talk with uh kevin day about what

1989
01:19:14,229 --> 01:19:13,679
it could or could not be um mick west

1990
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,239
actually

1991
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:16,320
came back on and said yeah i understand

1992
01:19:20,470 --> 01:19:17,360
now why it

1993
01:19:22,149 --> 01:19:20,480
it couldn't have been you know an f-18

1994
01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:22,159
hornet or whatever it is he thought it

1995
01:19:27,030 --> 01:19:23,360
might be

1996
01:19:27,669 --> 01:19:27,040
um he said i understand now why and it

1997
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:27,679
wasn't

1998
01:19:30,870 --> 01:19:29,840
like uh a few weeks later he was on some

1999
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:30,880
other program

2000
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:33,280
um you know again saying the same thing

2001
01:19:40,470 --> 01:19:38,950
yeah you're doing something really

2002
01:19:41,669 --> 01:19:40,480
important here and that is that you're

2003
01:19:45,270 --> 01:19:41,679
archiving

2004
01:19:47,430 --> 01:19:45,280
the you know the um ontological

2005
01:19:49,750 --> 01:19:47,440
perspectives and paradigms of the day

2006
01:19:50,790 --> 01:19:49,760
you know it it is valuable what you are

2007
01:19:54,950 --> 01:19:50,800
doing you are

2008
01:19:58,550 --> 01:19:54,960
making giving a permanent record of uh

2009
01:20:01,030 --> 01:19:58,560
of um you know the the

2010
01:20:03,110 --> 01:20:01,040
outlooks of this time period and we will

2011
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:03,120
see how they will change

2012
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,880
uh and you know people say you know

2013
01:20:10,149 --> 01:20:08,719
that there was a before time and and

2014
01:20:13,430 --> 01:20:10,159
after time and and

2015
01:20:16,149 --> 01:20:13,440
you know um yeah so

2016
01:20:16,629 --> 01:20:16,159
so i think we are and lord you're you're

2017
01:20:18,709 --> 01:20:16,639
you know

2018
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:18,719
willing to open mind in this perhaps you

2019
01:20:23,590 --> 01:20:21,040
know to to get these skeptics on board

2020
01:20:24,390 --> 01:20:23,600
and to record their statements and you

2021
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:24,400
know

2022
01:20:32,390 --> 01:20:30,639
so many other political events that have

2023
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:32,400
changed over time

2024
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,719
yeah and it doesn't mean that anyone is

2025
01:20:39,590 --> 01:20:36,719
better than anyone else or any

2026
01:20:41,030 --> 01:20:39,600
thoughts are um it's just of what we can

2027
01:20:43,990 --> 01:20:41,040
all learn together

2028
01:20:45,750 --> 01:20:44,000
you know i wouldn't like say oh hey mick

2029
01:20:47,110 --> 01:20:45,760
west guess what you were wrong all along

2030
01:20:49,430 --> 01:20:47,120
and we're you know we

2031
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:49,440
in the ufo community were right that's

2032
01:20:53,910 --> 01:20:50,719
not going to help anyone

2033
01:20:57,030 --> 01:20:53,920
but just um you know it's something

2034
01:20:59,189 --> 01:20:57,040
you know hopefully we'll all um be on

2035
01:21:00,470 --> 01:20:59,199
in agreeance someday you mentioned

2036
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:00,480
earlier

2037
01:21:05,110 --> 01:21:03,120
read it and um on social media i kind of

2038
01:21:07,910 --> 01:21:05,120
stay off all that stuff because

2039
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:07,920
there is a lot of there's a lot of

2040
01:21:11,110 --> 01:21:08,800
infighting

2041
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:11,120
and there's a lot of jealousy and mud

2042
01:21:14,470 --> 01:21:12,480
slinging

2043
01:21:16,310 --> 01:21:14,480
so i kind of stay off of all that but i

2044
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:16,320
do hear you know bits and pieces of

2045
01:21:20,790 --> 01:21:19,360
of what's going on out there but it

2046
01:21:21,669 --> 01:21:20,800
sounds like you get right into it and

2047
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:21,679
you you

2048
01:21:26,070 --> 01:21:24,080
you read everything that's happening

2049
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:26,080
when it comes to this topic

2050
01:21:32,470 --> 01:21:29,840
i sure do and i have some other

2051
01:21:35,110 --> 01:21:32,480
observations about uh just sort of

2052
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,120
getting back to the consciousness thing

2053
01:21:39,830 --> 01:21:37,280
uh just some notes i've taken uh

2054
01:21:41,430 --> 01:21:39,840
encounters are defined by the awareness

2055
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:41,440
that one is dealing with something that

2056
01:21:46,470 --> 01:21:44,400
has a terrifying speed of intelligence

2057
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,480
and something that has an intelligence

2058
01:21:50,550 --> 01:21:47,760
that you know

2059
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:50,560
kind of speaks directly inside the mind

2060
01:21:52,470 --> 01:21:52,159
and that that's kind of what a download

2061
01:22:11,430 --> 01:21:52,480
in

2062
01:22:14,550 --> 01:22:11,440
pulled out of one's body

2063
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:14,560
upwards downwards sidewards uh the

2064
01:22:19,590 --> 01:22:17,040
feeling that the body is being rotated

2065
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:19,600
so these you know we talk about these

2066
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:20,880
senses you know like

2067
01:22:24,950 --> 01:22:23,199
we have the sense of eyesight smell

2068
01:22:28,950 --> 01:22:24,960
taste hearing

2069
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:28,960
touch but it's not so much discussed um

2070
01:22:35,830 --> 01:22:32,239
or we don't have the same language um

2071
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:35,840
for uh the sense of movement and and how

2072
01:22:40,470 --> 01:22:36,960
one's body

2073
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:40,480
feels you know moving you know you you

2074
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:42,639
you know maybe even things like

2075
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:44,400
depression your body is being pulled

2076
01:22:48,070 --> 01:22:45,679
downward

2077
01:22:49,030 --> 01:22:48,080
uh you know elation your body moves up

2078
01:22:51,910 --> 01:22:49,040
but but

2079
01:22:53,510 --> 01:22:51,920
more intense experiences is of that that

2080
01:22:57,189 --> 01:22:53,520
are really extraordinary that

2081
01:23:00,790 --> 01:22:58,950
find some familiarity with what i'm

2082
01:23:03,910 --> 01:23:00,800
saying another thing is

2083
01:23:06,229 --> 01:23:03,920
um a unity state the feeling that one's

2084
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:06,239
identity has merged with the environment

2085
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:08,560
a sense of love and service to all

2086
01:23:12,470 --> 01:23:09,520
remorse for

2087
01:23:13,990 --> 01:23:12,480
all and any harm done akin to the loss

2088
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:14,000
of self and in the non

2089
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:18,560
um near death experience um

2090
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:20,719
so that that unity state that that's

2091
01:23:25,270 --> 01:23:21,840
another thing that often

2092
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,280
comes with these um encounters and then

2093
01:23:29,030 --> 01:23:27,120
uh screen memories the feeling that one

2094
01:23:31,189 --> 01:23:29,040
has memories that are unnatural that may

2095
01:23:33,669 --> 01:23:31,199
not be actual live memories

2096
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:33,679
uh but are gestalt or complete memories

2097
01:23:37,990 --> 01:23:34,639
with visuals

2098
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:38,000
sights sound and smell and this is uh

2099
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:41,120
you know one um perspective put

2100
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:44,560
put out put forth by uh dr joseph burks

2101
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,040
who uh describes that he calls it a

2102
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:48,719
theater of the mind

2103
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:51,920
uh where these things are um you know

2104
01:24:01,189 --> 01:23:59,270
all all very interesting i know there's

2105
01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:01,199
you know there's a lot of people talking

2106
01:24:04,790 --> 01:24:03,360
about the relationship between

2107
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:04,800
consciousness

2108
01:24:07,990 --> 01:24:07,360
and uh you know everything that's going

2109
01:24:11,030 --> 01:24:08,000
on as

2110
01:24:11,750 --> 01:24:11,040
you know when it comes to the ufos as

2111
01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:11,760
well

2112
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,800
and your work with the bigelow institute

2113
01:24:17,510 --> 01:24:16,320
is kind of fascinating i don't know if

2114
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:17,520
you want to talk on that we're going to

2115
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:18,480
be taking

2116
01:24:25,350 --> 01:24:22,080
calls in about five minutes from now um

2117
01:24:28,709 --> 01:24:25,360
yeah yeah go ahead uh

2118
01:24:33,350 --> 01:24:31,830
i basically edited a paper by a fellow

2119
01:24:37,590 --> 01:24:33,360
named maddie pitkinan

2120
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:37,600
and maddie is a um is a physicist he has

2121
01:24:40,790 --> 01:24:38,320
a degree

2122
01:24:42,550 --> 01:24:40,800
um from uh i think it's the university

2123
01:24:44,790 --> 01:24:42,560
of helsinki in finland

2124
01:24:46,390 --> 01:24:44,800
and he's a dissident uh scientist and

2125
01:24:50,310 --> 01:24:46,400
that he's uh

2126
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:50,320
gone away from uh you know the

2127
01:24:56,390 --> 01:24:53,600
some of the uh established physicist

2128
01:24:58,790 --> 01:24:56,400
and developed his own ideas and so the

2129
01:25:02,870 --> 01:24:58,800
there was a um

2130
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:02,880
uh prize that mr bigelow put forth

2131
01:25:08,950 --> 01:25:07,040
um an essay contest and the essay

2132
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,960
i think the title was something like is

2133
01:25:12,149 --> 01:25:10,320
there evidence for

2134
01:25:13,669 --> 01:25:12,159
uh the continuation of consciousness

2135
01:25:16,709 --> 01:25:13,679
after death

2136
01:25:19,750 --> 01:25:16,719
and little maddie uh you know

2137
01:25:20,470 --> 01:25:19,760
he i'm gonna have to laugh because the

2138
01:25:26,629 --> 01:25:20,480
guys are

2139
01:25:29,510 --> 01:25:26,639
a genius of a man uh he i i uh

2140
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:29,520
anyway he he has an interesting response

2141
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:30,880
to that question

2142
01:25:34,470 --> 01:25:33,600
he has some uh science mathematics

2143
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:34,480
physics

2144
01:25:37,750 --> 01:25:37,040
to back up his theories uh i had the

2145
01:25:39,750 --> 01:25:37,760
privilege

2146
01:25:40,790 --> 01:25:39,760
of working with him and editing his his

2147
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:40,800
paper

2148
01:25:47,830 --> 01:25:44,480
uh in around november um mr bigelow

2149
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:47,840
and his um group will adjudicate these

2150
01:25:55,750 --> 01:25:49,040
um

2151
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:55,760
maddie will win but uh whether he does

2152
01:25:58,629 --> 01:25:56,880
or doesn't uh

2153
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,639
i i believe the man deserves a nobel

2154
01:26:04,390 --> 01:26:00,719
prize he's a genius

2155
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:04,400
hmm interesting so um i'm gonna pull up

2156
01:26:07,110 --> 01:26:05,040
now

2157
01:26:09,030 --> 01:26:07,120
for anybody that would like to call

2158
01:26:11,669 --> 01:26:09,040
here's the phone number

2159
01:26:12,470 --> 01:26:11,679
if you're over on uh facebook or kgra

2160
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:12,480
radio

2161
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:15,679
or youtube um live watching live right

2162
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:16,320
now

2163
01:26:25,910 --> 01:26:24,470
uh 855-472-5483 is standing by um to to

2164
01:26:28,229 --> 01:26:25,920
uh take your call

2165
01:26:29,510 --> 01:26:28,239
so we have several lines uh anyone can

2166
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,520
call in to ask

2167
01:26:32,709 --> 01:26:31,280
um a question along any of the lines

2168
01:26:36,070 --> 01:26:32,719
that we discussed tonight or

2169
01:26:38,870 --> 01:26:36,080
uh any actually new topics

2170
01:26:40,629 --> 01:26:38,880
you know last time i did a um i did a

2171
01:26:43,110 --> 01:26:40,639
call-in show it seemed pretty

2172
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:43,120
successful and i'm thinking about um

2173
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,840
doing

2174
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:46,080
another one just to for all the

2175
01:26:50,870 --> 01:26:47,360
listeners it was a lot of

2176
01:26:54,629 --> 01:26:50,880
great participation learned a lot of uh

2177
01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:54,639
new ufo and very interesting um

2178
01:26:57,830 --> 01:26:56,639
you know encounters that happened it was

2179
01:27:00,470 --> 01:26:57,840
really good to hear from

2180
01:27:01,510 --> 01:27:00,480
the listeners so i'm gonna plan to do

2181
01:27:05,350 --> 01:27:01,520
that i believe

2182
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:05,360
the uh first um i'll have to take a look

2183
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,760
because i'm going to be out at the uh

2184
01:27:12,790 --> 01:27:09,440
international ufo con

2185
01:27:14,709 --> 01:27:12,800
congress in september just to

2186
01:27:15,990 --> 01:27:14,719
run that recap real quickly i'm going to

2187
01:27:19,030 --> 01:27:16,000
take a look at my

2188
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:19,040
schedule and uh just

2189
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:22,400
um so when it comes to

2190
01:27:28,149 --> 01:27:26,320
the uh the first

2191
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:28,159
uh let's see that's a tuesday on the

2192
01:27:32,790 --> 01:27:30,320
31st of august that's already booked

2193
01:27:33,750 --> 01:27:32,800
so the following week it looks like the

2194
01:27:35,669 --> 01:27:33,760
call-in show

2195
01:27:37,669 --> 01:27:35,679
after all is not going to be until the

2196
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:37,679
21st of september i was hoping it would

2197
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:38,960
be earlier than that but we're booked

2198
01:27:42,470 --> 01:27:39,840
right up

2199
01:27:43,110 --> 01:27:42,480
until that time but anyway uh the lines

2200
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:43,120
are open

2201
01:27:47,149 --> 01:27:44,400
love to hear from you if you'd like to

2202
01:27:48,709 --> 01:27:47,159
call in again that number is

2203
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:48,719
855-472-5483

2204
01:27:53,030 --> 01:27:51,920
and bill is standing by and if you're

2205
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:53,040
too shy

2206
01:27:56,629 --> 01:27:56,159
to call but you'd like to get a question

2207
01:27:58,950 --> 01:27:56,639
in there

2208
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:58,960
please put your questions in caps if

2209
01:28:03,990 --> 01:28:00,320
you're in chat over at

2210
01:28:08,149 --> 01:28:04,000
uh facebook or on youtube uh please

2211
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:08,159
uh ask away so

2212
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,840
i think uh you know it's an interesting

2213
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,360
conversation

2214
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,400
um so just to touch a little bit more on

2215
01:28:18,629 --> 01:28:15,600
going back to

2216
01:28:22,709 --> 01:28:18,639
the dimensional um

2217
01:28:26,390 --> 01:28:22,719
discussion you were saying that

2218
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:26,400
there is there is a possibility

2219
01:28:30,870 --> 01:28:29,199
um let me just try to or maybe you

2220
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:30,880
should kind of put in a nutshell

2221
01:28:34,390 --> 01:28:33,679
of how the travel would work i

2222
01:28:37,430 --> 01:28:34,400
understand you

2223
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:37,440
you know we did the illustrations on the

2224
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,360
technology of this but uh uh

2225
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:43,280
here i i got a little thing i should

2226
01:28:47,910 --> 01:28:44,800
have showed this earlier

2227
01:28:51,350 --> 01:28:47,920
imagine this ball is a photon

2228
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:51,360
and it's traveling from uh a little

2229
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:54,960
chip of silicon that's uh bounced off a

2230
01:28:59,030 --> 01:28:57,280
a distant planet and it's heading going

2231
01:29:02,550 --> 01:28:59,040
through space getting through space

2232
01:29:03,510 --> 01:29:02,560
this is a photon and it hits it hits our

2233
01:29:06,709 --> 01:29:03,520
probe

2234
01:29:09,990 --> 01:29:06,719
you know and then

2235
01:29:13,110 --> 01:29:10,000
it gets absorbed inside the um

2236
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,120
the probe and and so you know this

2237
01:29:17,350 --> 01:29:15,440
photon is inside the probe

2238
01:29:18,629 --> 01:29:17,360
let me turn it around for you if i do

2239
01:29:21,910 --> 01:29:18,639
this the other way

2240
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:21,920
these are backwards and so then we uh

2241
01:29:28,709 --> 01:29:25,600
amplify we multiply that um photon

2242
01:29:31,990 --> 01:29:28,719
and so the um the ship

2243
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:32,000
becomes how do i do it's the other way

2244
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:34,159
it's the other way which way isn't that

2245
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:35,840
is that is that forward

2246
01:29:41,510 --> 01:29:39,040
okay so the ship takes on the properties

2247
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:41,520
of a giant electron okay

2248
01:29:44,950 --> 01:29:44,000
and then extended out the front of that

2249
01:29:47,189 --> 01:29:44,960
ship

2250
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:47,199
is something that takes on the

2251
01:29:52,229 --> 01:29:48,719
properties of a giant

2252
01:29:55,830 --> 01:29:52,239
um positron and we we say

2253
01:29:58,870 --> 01:29:55,840
um it's a you know it's a process of

2254
01:30:00,790 --> 01:29:58,880
macroscopic um action you know the

2255
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:00,800
things that happen in the quantum world

2256
01:30:04,470 --> 01:30:03,520
they're pretty amazing and you know if

2257
01:30:06,709 --> 01:30:04,480
we take those

2258
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,719
things that happen in the quantum world

2259
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,480
and we make them at the macro level

2260
01:30:13,510 --> 01:30:10,400
that's as big as human beings

2261
01:30:15,910 --> 01:30:13,520
so this positron you know you know

2262
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:15,920
it's kind of big you know i hear this we

2263
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:17,120
say i think

2264
01:30:20,550 --> 01:30:18,719
michael said that the probe that they

2265
01:30:23,750 --> 01:30:20,560
saw apparently was about

2266
01:30:26,229 --> 01:30:23,760
15 feet or so like six feet high and 12

2267
01:30:29,510 --> 01:30:26,239
feet across and i'm not sure exactly

2268
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:29,520
but um so an electron we have an

2269
01:30:33,990 --> 01:30:30,880
electron here

2270
01:30:35,030 --> 01:30:34,000
that that's i keep spinning that an

2271
01:30:37,430 --> 01:30:35,040
electron

2272
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:37,440
that's a si it's the size of a probe a

2273
01:30:43,830 --> 01:30:39,440
12-foot object you know

2274
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:43,840
so uh and then so when we have

2275
01:30:50,709 --> 01:30:47,280
this uh electron and positron and then

2276
01:30:52,709 --> 01:30:50,719
let's see if i have it here uh

2277
01:30:55,430 --> 01:30:52,719
that then we have another electronic

2278
01:30:58,390 --> 01:30:55,440
positron this is from

2279
01:31:00,709 --> 01:30:58,400
this is from the the original photon and

2280
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:00,719
then there's a kind of a swapping

2281
01:31:07,030 --> 01:31:04,239
of things where where this electron

2282
01:31:08,470 --> 01:31:07,040
is gonna match that positron that

2283
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:08,480
originally came from the star

2284
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:11,679
you know the distant thing and then uh

2285
01:31:14,870 --> 01:31:13,360
oops the other one where is it you know

2286
01:31:18,229 --> 01:31:14,880
the other positron

2287
01:31:19,189 --> 01:31:18,239
uh goes into another dimension or you

2288
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:19,199
know

2289
01:31:28,870 --> 01:31:25,840
it's a swapping of positions and it's

2290
01:31:31,430 --> 01:31:28,880
not a rocket paradigm you know this is

2291
01:31:34,229 --> 01:31:31,440
quantum properties here

2292
01:31:34,870 --> 01:31:34,239
and so let me just ask you would this

2293
01:31:39,030 --> 01:31:34,880
whole

2294
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:39,040
theory um is it a low energy or a high

2295
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:40,480
energy

2296
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:43,360
yield to get something like this to

2297
01:31:49,669 --> 01:31:45,679
propagate

2298
01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:53,030
you know the short answer is there was

2299
01:31:56,950 --> 01:31:54,400
some idea that

2300
01:31:58,550 --> 01:31:56,960
they they would um use something like

2301
01:32:00,709 --> 01:31:58,560
the the um

2302
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:00,719
the nuclear power you know like a

2303
01:32:05,350 --> 01:32:02,639
nuclear submarine

2304
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:05,360
um and i i forget the figures right now

2305
01:32:08,310 --> 01:32:05,920
but

2306
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:08,320
you know submarines you know some of the

2307
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:10,400
military submarines are powered by

2308
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,960
nuclear power plants so the idea was to

2309
01:32:17,270 --> 01:32:13,920
get you know

2310
01:32:20,470 --> 01:32:17,280
maybe a a couple or so of these uh

2311
01:32:22,390 --> 01:32:20,480
nuclear generators you know inside the

2312
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:22,400
probe so that's a problem you know is

2313
01:32:26,390 --> 01:32:24,480
there size to do that some you know some

2314
01:32:28,229 --> 01:32:26,400
to work on but

2315
01:32:30,870 --> 01:32:28,239
there's also this thing of like you may

2316
01:32:32,550 --> 01:32:30,880
not need such enormous amounts of power

2317
01:32:34,390 --> 01:32:32,560
because you've got something spinning

2318
01:32:37,030 --> 01:32:34,400
you know what does a tornado do

2319
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:37,040
you know i mean it you know tornadoes

2320
01:32:40,870 --> 01:32:38,960
incredibly destructive power because

2321
01:32:43,990 --> 01:32:40,880
it's spinning you know

2322
01:32:47,189 --> 01:32:44,000
and then um you know it's uh

2323
01:32:50,229 --> 01:32:47,199
it's a it has a strong um

2324
01:32:52,470 --> 01:32:50,239
uh magnetic uh charge to it

2325
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:52,480
there's a lot going on this in this

2326
01:32:59,110 --> 01:32:55,840
thing and and so if you have multiple

2327
01:33:01,750 --> 01:32:59,120
you know forces focusing on a point and

2328
01:33:02,310 --> 01:33:01,760
you know high speed you you may not need

2329
01:33:06,310 --> 01:33:02,320
such

2330
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:06,320
enormous amounts of power it's a um

2331
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,000
it's a facile attack like oh you know

2332
01:33:14,470 --> 01:33:12,400
you don't have enough power to do it hey

2333
01:33:17,189 --> 01:33:14,480
they're not musicians

2334
01:33:18,790 --> 01:33:17,199
that you know i mean i'm not a scientist

2335
01:33:20,229 --> 01:33:18,800
i can't fully defend this to every

2336
01:33:21,750 --> 01:33:20,239
physicist in the world

2337
01:33:23,590 --> 01:33:21,760
but this is along the lines of the

2338
01:33:26,149 --> 01:33:23,600
thinking wow

2339
01:33:27,189 --> 01:33:26,159
interesting well i think i have a

2340
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:27,199
actually a friend

2341
01:33:32,790 --> 01:33:30,880
on the line uh from michigan phil

2342
01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:32,800
is that you phil from michigan the phil

2343
01:33:36,310 --> 01:33:34,719
i know

2344
01:33:38,629 --> 01:33:36,320
that's the fill you know home of the

2345
01:33:41,270 --> 01:33:38,639
swamp gas

2346
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:41,280
how you doing phil welcome to the show

2347
01:33:45,350 --> 01:33:42,000
you have a

2348
01:33:46,149 --> 01:33:45,360
a question or a comment tonight i have a

2349
01:33:49,189 --> 01:33:46,159
comment

2350
01:33:52,310 --> 01:33:49,199
and it's about

2351
01:33:56,070 --> 01:33:52,320
the um nick west

2352
01:34:00,149 --> 01:33:58,149
i'm sorry there's lots there's lots of

2353
01:34:02,310 --> 01:34:00,159
feedback going on here

2354
01:34:04,070 --> 01:34:02,320
all right um i'm wondering if uh if

2355
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,080
that's happening maybe uh

2356
01:34:08,390 --> 01:34:06,719
maybe you should uh hang up and uh build

2357
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:08,400
uh just call right back and bill will

2358
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:09,600
bring you in

2359
01:34:15,110 --> 01:34:12,560
and uh we'll try it again so go ahead

2360
01:34:17,189 --> 01:34:15,120
we'll we'll wait to hear back from you

2361
01:34:19,430 --> 01:34:17,199
uh we have another another caller but

2362
01:34:21,430 --> 01:34:19,440
bill um

2363
01:34:24,229 --> 01:34:21,440
let's get uh let's get phil back on

2364
01:34:31,590 --> 01:34:28,470
um so i will just wait for that um

2365
01:34:33,830 --> 01:34:31,600
i'll say it again uh

2366
01:34:35,910 --> 01:34:33,840
martin you know our archivists of the

2367
01:34:38,709 --> 01:34:35,920
future are going to be really grateful

2368
01:34:41,270 --> 01:34:38,719
that you recorded you know the different

2369
01:34:44,070 --> 01:34:41,280
perspectives at this time period because

2370
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:44,080
you know i i'm an archivist myself i

2371
01:34:47,750 --> 01:34:44,480
love

2372
01:34:50,070 --> 01:34:47,760
you know our you know archival work and

2373
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:50,080
it it's great to get these opinions

2374
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:52,400
they're not going to last in my opinion

2375
01:34:58,229 --> 01:34:56,080
but uh you know get them yeah why not

2376
01:35:00,709 --> 01:34:58,239
yeah all right phil why don't you try it

2377
01:35:03,590 --> 01:35:00,719
now he's back

2378
01:35:04,070 --> 01:35:03,600
okay yeah there's no feedback now yeah

2379
01:35:07,430 --> 01:35:04,080
my

2380
01:35:10,709 --> 01:35:07,440
comment was mick west

2381
01:35:14,149 --> 01:35:10,719
gets a lot of air time i hear him

2382
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:14,159
everywhere and he has

2383
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:16,880
no credentials to do what he's doing

2384
01:35:21,350 --> 01:35:19,280
he's a bloody video game programmer

2385
01:35:22,709 --> 01:35:21,360
and yet he's treated like some kind of

2386
01:35:26,149 --> 01:35:22,719
god

2387
01:35:29,510 --> 01:35:26,159
and i just kind of wonder why

2388
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:29,520
he gets so much deference when he's

2389
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:30,880
he's actually a member of an

2390
01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:34,000
organization called the

2391
01:35:40,070 --> 01:35:37,360
csi and he used to be called cycop

2392
01:35:41,350 --> 01:35:40,080
and he's a fellow with them and if

2393
01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:41,360
anybody's followed

2394
01:35:48,310 --> 01:35:44,400
their career they make a habit

2395
01:35:51,830 --> 01:35:48,320
of belittling everybody who doesn't

2396
01:35:54,790 --> 01:35:51,840
believe what they do so my

2397
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:54,800
suggestion is i think people in the ufo

2398
01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:55,679
community

2399
01:35:59,350 --> 01:35:58,000
should start becoming aggressive at

2400
01:36:02,790 --> 01:35:59,360
people like

2401
01:36:04,550 --> 01:36:02,800
mick west and and tyson and that other

2402
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:04,560
yoyo that you were talking about that

2403
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:07,440
did that article

2404
01:36:11,669 --> 01:36:10,080
anyway i've done i just wanted to get

2405
01:36:14,790 --> 01:36:11,679
that out there

2406
01:36:18,070 --> 01:36:14,800
well you know i i i feel phil

2407
01:36:20,149 --> 01:36:18,080
uh thank you for that and um i feel like

2408
01:36:23,189 --> 01:36:20,159
it seems like every time in ufology

2409
01:36:24,950 --> 01:36:23,199
every every moment in ufology has

2410
01:36:26,870 --> 01:36:24,960
that type of person you know there's

2411
01:36:28,310 --> 01:36:26,880
michael shermer uh you know

2412
01:36:30,229 --> 01:36:28,320
michael had on the show actually i

2413
01:36:32,790 --> 01:36:30,239
thought he was kind of a gentleman uh

2414
01:36:33,350 --> 01:36:32,800
he was respectful and all that but there

2415
01:36:36,470 --> 01:36:33,360
are those

2416
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:36,480
uh people like phil uh class

2417
01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:39,679
from you know way back that um are

2418
01:36:42,709 --> 01:36:42,320
are quite arrogant and um i do agree

2419
01:36:47,270 --> 01:36:42,719
there's

2420
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:47,280
skepticism and debunking

2421
01:36:54,470 --> 01:36:50,480
and also you you make a good point

2422
01:36:57,830 --> 01:36:54,480
where um you know why is why is

2423
01:37:00,709 --> 01:36:57,840
cr west everywhere when

2424
01:37:01,990 --> 01:37:00,719
uh mcwest everywhere on all these

2425
01:37:03,830 --> 01:37:02,000
programs we're talking

2426
01:37:05,590 --> 01:37:03,840
you know news programs and everything as

2427
01:37:07,109 --> 01:37:05,600
the go-to expert

2428
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,119
i think he's out there because he's a

2429
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:09,280
squeaky axle he's he's uh really

2430
01:37:14,870 --> 01:37:12,560
out there blasting away i don't know any

2431
01:37:17,030 --> 01:37:14,880
other reason perspective on that

2432
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:17,040
i i believe he's been put in that

2433
01:37:21,590 --> 01:37:18,239
position

2434
01:37:23,350 --> 01:37:21,600
by the organization csi they're a very

2435
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:23,360
powerful group

2436
01:37:29,510 --> 01:37:27,520
oh okay and they're using him

2437
01:37:31,750 --> 01:37:29,520
you know he never mentions this he never

2438
01:37:35,109 --> 01:37:31,760
mentions that he's a member of csi

2439
01:37:37,990 --> 01:37:35,119
but he's a csi fellow he's not just

2440
01:37:38,950 --> 01:37:38,000
an ordinary believer in the mission of

2441
01:37:43,030 --> 01:37:38,960
csi

2442
01:37:45,430 --> 01:37:43,040
he's one of them interesting

2443
01:37:47,430 --> 01:37:45,440
skeptics group is skeptical in choir is

2444
01:37:50,790 --> 01:37:47,440
that as fellows

2445
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:50,800
yes yes that's exactly it yeah yeah yeah

2446
01:37:54,870 --> 01:37:53,040
so yeah i mean i pick up their magazine

2447
01:37:55,669 --> 01:37:54,880
once in a while i look at it you know

2448
01:37:58,149 --> 01:37:55,679
and

2449
01:37:58,790 --> 01:37:58,159
you know it it just keeps us on our toes

2450
01:38:01,510 --> 01:37:58,800
it you know

2451
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:01,520
keeps our pencils sharp and oh you know

2452
01:38:07,430 --> 01:38:03,600
but uh

2453
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:07,440
certainly i feel very differently and um

2454
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:11,040
uh we need to be respectful

2455
01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:14,159
um but i i think we also need to um

2456
01:38:17,990 --> 01:38:16,719
look at people who are really forward

2457
01:38:20,550 --> 01:38:18,000
thinking and um

2458
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:20,560
encourage them and and give them

2459
01:38:26,149 --> 01:38:22,719
strength as well

2460
01:38:28,629 --> 01:38:26,159
yeah okay well my perspective on csi

2461
01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:28,639
is they're very dishonest and they're

2462
01:38:34,390 --> 01:38:30,639
not very nice people

2463
01:38:37,109 --> 01:38:34,400
and you just have i've

2464
01:38:37,430 --> 01:38:37,119
experienced them for the last 40 years

2465
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:37,440
or

2466
01:38:43,669 --> 01:38:40,960
existence and they're just

2467
01:38:43,990 --> 01:38:43,679
a nasty bunch of scientists that don't

2468
01:38:46,870 --> 01:38:44,000
like

2469
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:46,880
anything that's beyond what they believe

2470
01:38:49,270 --> 01:38:47,600
in

2471
01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:49,280
anyway i've taken up enough time thank

2472
01:38:52,550 --> 01:38:50,639
you very much martin

2473
01:38:56,149 --> 01:38:52,560
thank you phil and by the way phil is a

2474
01:38:58,709 --> 01:38:56,159
scientist so thanks for the call phil

2475
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:58,719
yeah all right you bet all right take

2476
01:39:01,430 --> 01:38:59,520
care

2477
01:39:03,430 --> 01:39:01,440
there are people doing extraordinary

2478
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:03,440
things um

2479
01:39:08,629 --> 01:39:06,800
and so you know people can have whatever

2480
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:08,639
beliefs they they want but uh

2481
01:39:12,390 --> 01:39:11,040
yeah just just like alan bean said in

2482
01:39:14,709 --> 01:39:12,400
the uh clip earlier

2483
01:39:16,310 --> 01:39:14,719
you know it it doesn't do any harm if

2484
01:39:17,750 --> 01:39:16,320
the people want to think that nobody

2485
01:39:19,350 --> 01:39:17,760
landed on the moon

2486
01:39:21,030 --> 01:39:19,360
it doesn't hurt anyone as according to

2487
01:39:23,430 --> 01:39:21,040
him

2488
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,440
there are situations where that type of

2489
01:39:27,910 --> 01:39:25,199
stubbornness can hurt

2490
01:39:28,390 --> 01:39:27,920
but uh in this particular case i i just

2491
01:39:32,070 --> 01:39:28,400
think it

2492
01:39:34,149 --> 01:39:32,080
uh you know can set us back

2493
01:39:35,430 --> 01:39:34,159
i don't know how much uh you know you'd

2494
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:35,440
consider that hurting

2495
01:39:39,750 --> 01:39:38,000
anyone but uh we have chris on from

2496
01:39:43,750 --> 01:39:39,760
houston texas chris

2497
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:43,760
welcome to the show hi um

2498
01:39:51,270 --> 01:39:47,920
i'm calling about the probe itself um

2499
01:39:54,550 --> 01:39:51,280
i tuned in late and i first thing i saw

2500
01:39:57,350 --> 01:39:54,560
was the image of the three colors and uh

2501
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:57,360
i saw i got excited because i saw

2502
01:40:01,189 --> 01:39:58,320
something

2503
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:01,199
like that in 1959 when i was nine years

2504
01:40:03,990 --> 01:40:02,000
old

2505
01:40:06,229 --> 01:40:04,000
and i've never had an explanation for it

2506
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:06,239
in all those years i've i've read

2507
01:40:09,430 --> 01:40:08,000
occasionally accounts from some other

2508
01:40:11,430 --> 01:40:09,440
person who had yes

2509
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,440
who had seen something like it the one i

2510
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:14,159
saw it looked like it was

2511
01:40:17,750 --> 01:40:16,800
um a few hundred feet in the air and it

2512
01:40:19,750 --> 01:40:17,760
looked like it was

2513
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:19,760
slightly bigger maybe the size of a

2514
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:21,360
helicopter but

2515
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:24,480
it really hard to tell and and made no

2516
01:40:28,229 --> 01:40:25,119
noise and

2517
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,239
it came toward i was with a friend

2518
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,400
out in a field and it came toward us but

2519
01:40:33,430 --> 01:40:32,639
then it turned and it landed behind

2520
01:40:35,750 --> 01:40:33,440
trees

2521
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,760
in an area where there's over the years

2522
01:40:40,470 --> 01:40:37,360
there's been other activity

2523
01:40:42,390 --> 01:40:40,480
um and so my question is

2524
01:40:44,070 --> 01:40:42,400
when if you're on the ground like this

2525
01:40:47,109 --> 01:40:44,080
gentleman was your contact

2526
01:40:49,030 --> 01:40:47,119
mr miller i think um when if you

2527
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:49,040
saw that in the skype it has already

2528
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:50,960
it's already done its

2529
01:40:55,189 --> 01:40:53,280
travel where it's version of getting

2530
01:40:57,830 --> 01:40:55,199
from there to here it's slowed down and

2531
01:41:01,590 --> 01:40:57,840
it's in the atmosphere right

2532
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:01,600
or is it just an image that i was seeing

2533
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:05,040
no i mean it's you know the term slowed

2534
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:05,440
down

2535
01:41:09,109 --> 01:41:08,639
is is something that uh you know these

2536
01:41:12,790 --> 01:41:09,119
things

2537
01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:12,800
they just stop instantly and um

2538
01:41:20,390 --> 01:41:16,639
you know that um there's a reason that

2539
01:41:23,990 --> 01:41:20,400
the the probe has red green and blue

2540
01:41:24,310 --> 01:41:24,000
colors because uh red green and blue

2541
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:24,320
when

2542
01:41:30,870 --> 01:41:27,360
put together additively make white

2543
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:30,880
and so um when you have these

2544
01:41:34,629 --> 01:41:33,360
different wavelengths the red blue and

2545
01:41:35,669 --> 01:41:34,639
green wavelength and you put them

2546
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:35,679
together

2547
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:40,560
uh into white uh light you you have

2548
01:41:45,990 --> 01:41:44,320
like many different wavelengths and um

2549
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:46,000
so that that was part of the colors and

2550
01:41:49,189 --> 01:41:47,600
then the the shape of the thing the

2551
01:41:52,149 --> 01:41:49,199
teardrop shape

2552
01:41:53,510 --> 01:41:52,159
um what was what was your sighting

2553
01:41:55,270 --> 01:41:53,520
teardrop shape or was it

2554
01:41:56,870 --> 01:41:55,280
i couldn't i couldn't see anything but

2555
01:41:59,590 --> 01:41:56,880
the the three colors

2556
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:59,600
uh i couldn't see any structure at all

2557
01:42:04,870 --> 01:42:01,760
uh behind it just the three

2558
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:04,880
a round shape with the three parts

2559
01:42:08,709 --> 01:42:07,520
in the sky coming toward me but not like

2560
01:42:10,950 --> 01:42:08,719
approaching me but

2561
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,960
pretty you know like i said looked like

2562
01:42:13,510 --> 01:42:12,400
it was a couple hundred feet up maybe

2563
01:42:15,830 --> 01:42:13,520
and then it turned

2564
01:42:18,310 --> 01:42:15,840
and went in down behind trees where

2565
01:42:21,189 --> 01:42:18,320
there's a creek

2566
01:42:23,109 --> 01:42:21,199
yeah i mean what can i say you're

2567
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:23,119
validating it it's wonderful i mean it's

2568
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:23,679
very

2569
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:26,080
exciting to hear you say this um it's

2570
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:26,960
you know

2571
01:42:32,709 --> 01:42:30,560
it's trying to see all this material

2572
01:42:34,629 --> 01:42:32,719
yeah i mean you're you're validating me

2573
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:34,639
i'm validating you here

2574
01:42:38,149 --> 01:42:37,280
that's pretty incredible um so the other

2575
01:42:39,910 --> 01:42:38,159
question is

2576
01:42:41,590 --> 01:42:39,920
assuming that it's slowed down i

2577
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:41,600
understand that part now but

2578
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:44,239
it was i in any danger was there like

2579
01:42:48,070 --> 01:42:44,639
some

2580
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:48,080
uh threat from that

2581
01:42:54,709 --> 01:42:52,080
uh you know i i think

2582
01:42:55,990 --> 01:42:54,719
i think i can say that uh mr miller's

2583
01:42:58,470 --> 01:42:56,000
experience the object

2584
01:42:59,350 --> 01:42:58,480
went down below trees as well so that

2585
01:43:01,669 --> 01:42:59,360
there's sort of a

2586
01:43:02,550 --> 01:43:01,679
parallel of phrases there it's kind of

2587
01:43:05,750 --> 01:43:02,560
interesting

2588
01:43:06,629 --> 01:43:05,760
yeah i missed that part uh yeah you you

2589
01:43:08,229 --> 01:43:06,639
said that and

2590
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:08,239
i i might not have mentioned it before

2591
01:43:14,870 --> 01:43:11,199
but mr miller has said that as well

2592
01:43:15,350 --> 01:43:14,880
but uh the what has happened to you you

2593
01:43:17,430 --> 01:43:15,360
know

2594
01:43:18,950 --> 01:43:17,440
you've lived it seems many years uh

2595
01:43:20,470 --> 01:43:18,960
since you were nine years old and you

2596
01:43:22,870 --> 01:43:20,480
know and you're still

2597
01:43:25,430 --> 01:43:22,880
you're still going and um maybe you've

2598
01:43:28,470 --> 01:43:25,440
gotten

2599
01:43:30,550 --> 01:43:28,480
you know no extra terrestrial has ever

2600
01:43:34,310 --> 01:43:30,560
hurt me plenty of humans have

2601
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:34,320
yeah yeah so you know uh

2602
01:43:38,070 --> 01:43:36,800
you know you're an open-minded fellow

2603
01:43:40,470 --> 01:43:38,080
that's the important point

2604
01:43:41,590 --> 01:43:40,480
and you know um and you saw something

2605
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:41,600
extraordinary and

2606
01:43:46,149 --> 01:43:44,480
and now i'm saying that somebody else

2607
01:43:48,310 --> 01:43:46,159
has had that same experience so

2608
01:43:49,750 --> 01:43:48,320
i know i love i love this explanation i

2609
01:43:51,510 --> 01:43:49,760
don't know if it's you know

2610
01:43:52,870 --> 01:43:51,520
your physicist friends may say it's not

2611
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:52,880
completely on point but i

2612
01:43:56,550 --> 01:43:55,600
it's very fascinating uh chris let me

2613
01:43:59,590 --> 01:43:56,560
ask you something

2614
01:44:03,830 --> 01:43:59,600
did this happen to you um in the same

2615
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:06,390
yes yes yes and i've called it or i've

2616
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:07,760
had other experiences but

2617
01:44:16,470 --> 01:44:15,430
how long ago was that the other

2618
01:44:19,510 --> 01:44:16,480
experiences or

2619
01:44:23,590 --> 01:44:19,520
this one no no this one in particular

2620
01:44:27,189 --> 01:44:23,600
well 1959 so i was nine years old

2621
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:27,199
and uh i'm 71 now and uh

2622
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:28,560
i might have been you know i've been i

2623
01:44:30,629 --> 01:44:29,760
might have been 10 to 10 i thought i

2624
01:44:33,990 --> 01:44:30,639
think i was mine

2625
01:44:37,109 --> 01:44:34,000
um and it was a part of houston

2626
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:37,119
where i grew up and i had had other

2627
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:40,639
odd experiences at on that creek um

2628
01:44:44,310 --> 01:44:42,560
it's like a hotbed of activity over

2629
01:44:45,669 --> 01:44:44,320
there in that particular creek

2630
01:44:48,550 --> 01:44:45,679
now south of houston a creek that

2631
01:44:49,430 --> 01:44:48,560
happens to empty directly into clear

2632
01:44:52,629 --> 01:44:49,440
lake

2633
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:52,639
which is where nasa is and of course

2634
01:44:58,310 --> 01:44:56,239
that's led me to imagine some things but

2635
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:58,320
yeah i want to validate your experience

2636
01:45:02,149 --> 01:44:59,760
again and say that

2637
01:45:03,189 --> 01:45:02,159
many people are saying that unusual

2638
01:45:05,590 --> 01:45:03,199
things

2639
01:45:06,470 --> 01:45:05,600
can sometimes happen in unique places on

2640
01:45:09,430 --> 01:45:06,480
earth

2641
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:09,440
i i don't fully unders i don't

2642
01:45:12,870 --> 01:45:10,800
understand that at all

2643
01:45:14,070 --> 01:45:12,880
but i have heard other people say that

2644
01:45:16,390 --> 01:45:14,080
um

2645
01:45:17,350 --> 01:45:16,400
knowledgeable people say that and and i

2646
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:17,360
i want to

2647
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,119
show you another picture here you know

2648
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:21,360
while i'm at it uh you know when you

2649
01:45:25,030 --> 01:45:24,000
you get a uh a magnet you know a bar

2650
01:45:28,149 --> 01:45:25,040
magnet

2651
01:45:30,229 --> 01:45:28,159
and you you put the iron filings uh down

2652
01:45:33,270 --> 01:45:30,239
and you see that ovoid shape

2653
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:33,280
well lookie here are like uh oval

2654
01:45:39,350 --> 01:45:37,040
and this is quite intentional uh fits in

2655
01:45:41,590 --> 01:45:39,360
to that ovoid shape where there's a

2656
01:45:44,790 --> 01:45:41,600
north pole in the south pole

2657
01:45:47,510 --> 01:45:44,800
and um you know the the field lines

2658
01:45:48,950 --> 01:45:47,520
you know take on that take on that shape

2659
01:45:51,030 --> 01:45:48,960
if you can see and then

2660
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:51,040
the tail you know has this kind of

2661
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:52,719
corona as well

2662
01:45:56,790 --> 01:45:55,840
uh you know you you put down a magnet

2663
01:45:59,590 --> 01:45:56,800
you're gonna see that

2664
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:59,600
that thing so this is not a rocket ship

2665
01:46:03,750 --> 01:46:01,360
you know

2666
01:46:04,709 --> 01:46:03,760
right right well it almost seems like a

2667
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:04,719
an

2668
01:46:15,590 --> 01:46:14,400
through the underground you know you've

2669
01:46:20,470 --> 01:46:15,600
created a vacuum

2670
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:20,480
a sort of a a um

2671
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:23,679
what's called a quantum vacuum pulling

2672
01:46:26,310 --> 01:46:24,000
from

2673
01:46:30,470 --> 01:46:26,320
you're pushing your presence in front of

2674
01:46:36,390 --> 01:46:34,390
yes yes uh

2675
01:46:37,830 --> 01:46:36,400
also just to go back to anecdotes uh

2676
01:46:38,470 --> 01:46:37,840
there's this fellow i can't remember the

2677
01:46:41,750 --> 01:46:38,480
author

2678
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,760
named sir sir something chai chester or

2679
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:42,800
something

2680
01:46:47,109 --> 01:46:45,360
he's the guy wrote lonely sky in the sea

2681
01:46:48,870 --> 01:46:47,119
uh there's a fellow he he sailed the

2682
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:48,880
atlantic by himself

2683
01:46:52,470 --> 01:46:50,880
and then he saw something in the sky

2684
01:46:54,229 --> 01:46:52,480
that he said was

2685
01:46:56,950 --> 01:46:54,239
i believe he said it was tear drop shape

2686
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:56,960
and red white white red green and blue

2687
01:47:02,950 --> 01:47:00,960
uh so that's another person who you know

2688
01:47:04,550 --> 01:47:02,960
he saw an object in the sky that you

2689
01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:04,560
know was not an airplane and this is way

2690
01:47:09,510 --> 01:47:06,400
back i don't know what the 40s is

2691
01:47:12,950 --> 01:47:09,520
whatever 30s or something uh i mean

2692
01:47:16,629 --> 01:47:12,960
i'm gonna read that account yeah uh sir

2693
01:47:19,990 --> 01:47:16,639
what's his name lonely sky on the sea

2694
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:20,000
he uh maybe it's the fifties but um

2695
01:47:23,750 --> 01:47:23,360
uh he's a great writer too chris thank

2696
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:23,760
you

2697
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:29,280
again all right yeah great work good to

2698
01:47:32,310 --> 01:47:30,000
talk to you

2699
01:47:33,830 --> 01:47:32,320
so the lines are are open wide open

2700
01:47:35,669 --> 01:47:33,840
right now again that number is eight

2701
01:47:39,109 --> 01:47:35,679
five five

2702
01:47:41,990 --> 01:47:39,119
two earlier on in chat

2703
01:47:43,270 --> 01:47:42,000
um we had a question that came up that i

2704
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:43,280
meant to post

2705
01:47:47,350 --> 01:47:46,000
and uh that person wanted to know what

2706
01:47:50,390 --> 01:47:47,360
your thoughts were

2707
01:47:52,229 --> 01:47:50,400
on of the unidentified objects that

2708
01:47:54,550 --> 01:47:52,239
people claim to see

2709
01:47:55,350 --> 01:47:54,560
that are you know triangle-shaped very

2710
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:55,360
large

2711
01:48:01,750 --> 01:47:59,360
um do you do you think that uh

2712
01:48:02,709 --> 01:48:01,760
i think the opinion was um are you

2713
01:48:05,189 --> 01:48:02,719
looking at

2714
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:05,199
this as a secret military or any parts

2715
01:48:09,669 --> 01:48:06,960
of the secret military or

2716
01:48:10,390 --> 01:48:09,679
could something like this um evolve

2717
01:48:13,350 --> 01:48:10,400
without

2718
01:48:16,870 --> 01:48:13,360
um you know someone using that

2719
01:48:21,590 --> 01:48:20,149
well um the interesting thing is um

2720
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:21,600
you know that historically they talk

2721
01:48:27,270 --> 01:48:23,280
about the tr-3b it was

2722
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:27,280
some um alleged military craft that was

2723
01:48:31,510 --> 01:48:28,719
triangular

2724
01:48:32,070 --> 01:48:31,520
and then uh there were reports in the

2725
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:32,080
belgium

2726
01:48:35,669 --> 01:48:34,080
air force reports and the belgian

2727
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:35,679
citizen reports of

2728
01:48:39,430 --> 01:48:38,960
the ufo flap in the 80s of triangle

2729
01:48:42,950 --> 01:48:39,440
shaped

2730
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:42,960
objects and then um the significant one

2731
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:43,760
i think is the

2732
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:46,960
um we reported on

2733
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:49,760
the phoenix lights where it was either a

2734
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:51,600
boomerang shaped or triangular shaped

2735
01:48:56,629 --> 01:48:52,719
object

2736
01:48:58,229 --> 01:48:56,639
and um it i i was very much an activist

2737
01:49:01,350 --> 01:48:58,239
in the ufo community

2738
01:49:02,950 --> 01:49:01,360
at the time of the phoenix lights and

2739
01:49:04,390 --> 01:49:02,960
again it was a very exciting time and

2740
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:04,400
then we were

2741
01:49:08,870 --> 01:49:08,560
um you know uh concerned by the remarks

2742
01:49:11,270 --> 01:49:08,880
of

2743
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:11,280
fife symington at the time and he he

2744
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:13,199
mocked it by uh

2745
01:49:19,030 --> 01:49:16,480
dressing in a costume of an alien uh but

2746
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:19,040
you know as we all know um five

2747
01:49:22,470 --> 01:49:20,639
simmington has turned around

2748
01:49:24,790 --> 01:49:22,480
and said he could not explain what he

2749
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:24,800
saw so and he was a

2750
01:49:30,229 --> 01:49:27,840
knowledgeable pilot so

2751
01:49:31,189 --> 01:49:30,239
again it's it's it's a mystery we don't

2752
01:49:37,669 --> 01:49:31,199
know

2753
01:49:39,510 --> 01:49:37,679
um and again i i support advocacy to um

2754
01:49:42,870 --> 01:49:39,520
that the people in the representative

2755
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:42,880
government should know what's going on

2756
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:46,239
right right um so we have uh

2757
01:49:49,669 --> 01:49:48,000
we could take one more call if someone

2758
01:49:51,430 --> 01:49:49,679
else would like to call in other than

2759
01:49:53,189 --> 01:49:51,440
that we're going to uh

2760
01:49:55,270 --> 01:49:53,199
we're going to uh we have about four

2761
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:55,280
minutes left to the show only

2762
01:49:58,629 --> 01:49:57,360
so if you'd like to call you better call

2763
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:58,639
in quick if you would

2764
01:50:01,750 --> 01:50:00,480
um i'm going to be taking that number

2765
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:01,760
down so

2766
01:50:05,990 --> 01:50:04,800
um um so that's interesting that you

2767
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:06,000
were really

2768
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:09,040
in involved in the ufo uh world or

2769
01:50:11,830 --> 01:50:10,560
really paying attention back during the

2770
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:11,840
phoenix lights

2771
01:50:14,950 --> 01:50:14,639
that um it's unfortunate that a lot of

2772
01:50:18,470 --> 01:50:14,960
what

2773
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:18,480
um people see when they're looking

2774
01:50:23,589 --> 01:50:21,119
are not the phoenix lights a lot of film

2775
01:50:26,470 --> 01:50:23,599
was taken of the flares unfortunately

2776
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:26,480
there's supposedly only one real good

2777
01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:27,040
video

2778
01:50:30,229 --> 01:50:29,599
of uh what people were seeing and the

2779
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:30,239
rest is

2780
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,360
the flares from what i understand

2781
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:36,080
but that was uh that was an incredible

2782
01:50:41,910 --> 01:50:36,480
um

2783
01:50:44,390 --> 01:50:41,920
know i had peter davenport on this

2784
01:50:45,589 --> 01:50:44,400
show at one point and he was saying that

2785
01:50:51,350 --> 01:50:45,599
uh

2786
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:51,360
some accounts that could that craft

2787
01:50:56,709 --> 01:50:53,760
could have been up to eight miles

2788
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:56,719
wide you know which is uh you know or uh

2789
01:50:59,589 --> 01:50:58,719
you know a minimum at a few miles or

2790
01:51:02,629 --> 01:50:59,599
something

2791
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:02,639
and to me when you know this

2792
01:51:05,830 --> 01:51:04,000
the skeptics are saying oh that's

2793
01:51:06,310 --> 01:51:05,840
something military that we developed i i

2794
01:51:12,070 --> 01:51:06,320
don't

2795
01:51:13,589 --> 01:51:12,080
that we could have something that large

2796
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:13,599
that we could house

2797
01:51:18,070 --> 01:51:16,320
and uh keep secret um all the way back

2798
01:51:19,510 --> 01:51:18,080
to 1997.

2799
01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:19,520
you know it just doesn't make any sense

2800
01:51:26,070 --> 01:51:25,270
and uh one more comment i'd like to make

2801
01:51:27,830 --> 01:51:26,080
um i

2802
01:51:29,589 --> 01:51:27,840
i get i don't have it here i can't put

2803
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:29,599
it up i did put it on on our facebook

2804
01:51:33,270 --> 01:51:30,560
page

2805
01:51:34,629 --> 01:51:33,280
but there is a pilot a military pilot

2806
01:51:37,750 --> 01:51:34,639
talking about

2807
01:51:42,390 --> 01:51:37,760
what sounds like a tic-tac-shaped

2808
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:42,400
um object that he saw in 1931

2809
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,800
it's an interview from 1931 he talks

2810
01:51:49,669 --> 01:51:46,880
about a pearl it's like a pearl with a

2811
01:51:50,470 --> 01:51:49,679
tail and then it disappeared and came

2812
01:51:52,550 --> 01:51:50,480
back

2813
01:51:53,589 --> 01:51:52,560
uh very fascinating but one of the

2814
01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:53,599
questions i have

2815
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:56,320
for you is uh in this theory that you're

2816
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:58,480
talking about this travel

2817
01:52:04,390 --> 01:52:01,599
theory a lot of people

2818
01:52:05,589 --> 01:52:04,400
say that they see a ufo and then it

2819
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:05,599
blinks out

2820
01:52:09,109 --> 01:52:07,840
would this also be the case of this

2821
01:52:11,350 --> 01:52:09,119
travel

2822
01:52:13,669 --> 01:52:11,360
that you're talking about because it's a

2823
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:13,679
another dimension it's using another

2824
01:52:18,149 --> 01:52:15,119
dimension

2825
01:52:21,270 --> 01:52:18,159
yeah right on the point this is not

2826
01:52:22,149 --> 01:52:21,280
uh standard travel this is like one

2827
01:52:24,790 --> 01:52:22,159
place

2828
01:52:26,390 --> 01:52:24,800
you know going into another dimension

2829
01:52:28,629 --> 01:52:26,400
and

2830
01:52:29,750 --> 01:52:28,639
being in another place it's a different

2831
01:52:33,270 --> 01:52:29,760
way of thinking

2832
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:33,280
and you know something blanks out it's

2833
01:52:36,550 --> 01:52:35,040
blinking to another place somewhere else

2834
01:52:38,149 --> 01:52:36,560
it's blanking on

2835
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:38,159
it's a different way of thinking it's a

2836
01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:39,679
paradigm shift

2837
01:52:46,070 --> 01:52:42,800
um so that's a very good point yeah

2838
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:46,080
yeah all fascinating well um

2839
01:52:49,669 --> 01:52:48,719
it's been a real pleasure now are you

2840
01:52:51,109 --> 01:52:49,679
did i

2841
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:51,119
when we were talking off here did you

2842
01:52:57,589 --> 01:52:54,159
say you might write another book

2843
01:52:59,830 --> 01:52:57,599
yeah like i'm gathering notes now

2844
01:53:00,790 --> 01:52:59,840
toward making another book uh with mr

2845
01:53:04,310 --> 01:53:00,800
miller

2846
01:53:07,030 --> 01:53:04,320
um he has you know some responses to the

2847
01:53:08,709 --> 01:53:07,040
critiques that we've received and he has

2848
01:53:12,149 --> 01:53:08,719
some new ideas

2849
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:12,159
um it's just at the beginning stages

2850
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:15,679
um but again i want to just say like

2851
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:18,880
my my first book was was this one

2852
01:53:22,070 --> 01:53:21,760
and uh it's kind of a thinner book and

2853
01:53:25,350 --> 01:53:22,080
and

2854
01:53:29,109 --> 01:53:25,360
you know had kind of fewer details on it

2855
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:29,119
uh this second book is about 290 pages

2856
01:53:33,669 --> 01:53:31,599
and uh you know so there are

2857
01:53:36,149 --> 01:53:33,679
developments of things you know

2858
01:53:37,189 --> 01:53:36,159
and i just want to emphasize that you

2859
01:53:39,030 --> 01:53:37,199
know you

2860
01:53:40,229 --> 01:53:39,040
you know just like making a light bulb

2861
01:53:43,030 --> 01:53:40,239
or making an electric car

2862
01:53:45,510 --> 01:53:43,040
you know it starts out kind of rough and

2863
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:45,520
it gets more refined

2864
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:48,560
yeah interesting well uh

2865
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:50,880
thanks whoops uh we had a caller we

2866
01:53:54,629 --> 01:53:53,199
missed that's too bad uh kevin so sorry

2867
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:54,639
kevin we missed you

2868
01:53:59,669 --> 01:53:57,840
actually uh uh bill let me know right

2869
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:59,679
now if he's still on the line we can we

2870
01:54:04,070 --> 01:54:00,880
can pull him in

2871
01:54:06,470 --> 01:54:04,080
um if you do have the extra time

2872
01:54:07,990 --> 01:54:06,480
oh he's gone all right well that's too

2873
01:54:11,510 --> 01:54:08,000
bad sorry kevin hope you call

2874
01:54:12,390 --> 01:54:11,520
back uh next time thank you so much uh

2875
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:12,400
for being

2876
01:54:15,910 --> 01:54:14,480
on the show this evening it was a it was

2877
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:15,920
a very interesting talk i really

2878
01:54:19,430 --> 01:54:17,840
appreciate it

2879
01:54:20,870 --> 01:54:19,440
yeah thank you you're very kind and i

2880
01:54:21,990 --> 01:54:20,880
really appreciate you allowing me the

2881
01:54:24,310 --> 01:54:22,000
opportunity to talk

2882
01:54:25,109 --> 01:54:24,320
with you excellent all right take care

2883
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:25,119
now

2884
01:54:29,910 --> 01:54:28,080
bye-bye all right all right everyone so

2885
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:29,920
next week we have chris spark

2886
01:54:37,109 --> 01:54:33,520
on and uh he's i believe he's an actor

2887
01:54:40,629 --> 01:54:37,119
uh but he's also he also has a book um

2888
01:54:43,030 --> 01:54:40,639
that has to do with um i think

2889
01:54:44,229 --> 01:54:43,040
uh aliens in the human race or something

2890
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:44,239
like that or

2891
01:54:49,589 --> 01:54:48,320
um anyway i can't really remember his

2892
01:54:50,470 --> 01:54:49,599
book right now i don't have it up here

2893
01:54:52,709 --> 01:54:50,480
in front of me

2894
01:54:54,149 --> 01:54:52,719
but it's uh but it's something that he

2895
01:54:55,830 --> 01:54:54,159
usually doesn't write about

2896
01:54:57,189 --> 01:54:55,840
uh he's an interesting guy what a

2897
01:54:58,870 --> 01:54:57,199
background this guy has

2898
01:55:01,270 --> 01:54:58,880
and he'll be a fascinating guest so you

2899
01:55:03,030 --> 01:55:01,280
can look forward to that next week

2900
01:55:05,910 --> 01:55:03,040
uh thank you bill for uh taking the

2901
01:55:07,430 --> 01:55:05,920
calls and doing a great job at kgra

2902
01:55:10,550 --> 01:55:07,440
radio as usual

2903
01:55:12,629 --> 01:55:10,560
and thank you everyone for watching

2904
01:55:25,940 --> 01:55:12,639
and remember to keep your eyes to the